Strange Powers?

A reader writes:

Have you read Tim Powers?  He was recently featured on the ignatius press website http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/tpowers_intvw_sept05.asp as as a Catholic writer getting alot of attention in the sci-fi genre. So I went out and purchased the only Powers book I could find at my local Barnes & Noble titled "Last Call."

It was just sick stuff, very weird and occultish.  I cannot find any reason for recommending this freaky writing to Catholics.   I know that lately he’s written a decidedly Catholic book called "Declare" but I’m just wondering if you have read, or have any thoughts on his work.

P.S. btw…where are you from in East Texas?

Okay, second question first. I was actually born in South Texas (down in the point), but I’ve spent more time in East Texas–specifically Houston (where I still have three aunts and three uncles and a bunch of cousins) and Deep East Texas (near Nacogdoches and San Augustine and Lufkin), where the family ranch is located and where my hurricane-withstanding grandmother still lives (as well as bunches of great aunts and uncles and cousins who I reckon by the dozens).

(Okay, now I’ve got the lyrics of the HMS Pinafore going through my head.)

As to the first question, I haven’t yet read either of the two books you mention, though I plan to. This puts me in a position from where I cannot comment directly on the works, but I have some thoughts that may be worth passing on.

I think that the problem may be one of expectations. You express concern about Last Call being sick, weird, and occultish. Those are things that definitely can be problematic with literature but the situation also can be more complex than that.

Lemme splain:

Suppose I recommended that you read a particular book–let’s call it Book X–that has all kinds of sick stuff in it. It’s got murder and rape and homosexuality and prostitution and adultery and the dismemberment of corpses and decapitation and driving spikes through people’s heads and stabbing people in the gut so that the contents of their intestines comes out. It also has a lot of weird stuff in it, like trees that talk and animals that talk and dragons and monsters composed of mixed-up body parts of other animals. It’s also got occult stuff in it: witches and mediums and demonic possessions and people who read books of magic.

You might very well ask why I would recommend this book to you given all the sick and weird and occult stuff in it.

"Why on earth should Book X ever be recommended to Catholics?" you might want to know.

Well, because it’s the Bible.

Every one of the things I mentioned above is found in the Bible. (Have fun in the combox citing the relevant stories and passages if y’all want!)

The fact that the Bible can include all this stuff and yet remain on every good Catholic’s "Must Read!" list tells us something about literature: It CAN (not the same thing as MUST) contain sick and weird and occult stuff.

If that’s not what you’re expecting from a piece of literature then it’s quite understandable that you’ll be put off by it, but in principle literature can contain all that stuff.

It also may be that a particular piece of literature contains so much of that stuff that it’s offputting–and this is often a matter of taste. Different people (or even the same people in different moods) have different tolerances for such content. And that can play a role.

There also can be moral problems with the WAY in which the material is presented. Some works GLORIFY sick and weird and occult stuff, and that’s just wrong.

I haven’t read Last Call, so I don’t know if that’s the case there, but I think that some light is shed on Tim Powers’s approach in the interview that you link.

For example, in commenting on the fact that he used Tarot cards in that book, he states:


      I don’t think I created a moral framework for Tarot cards – I think I used the framework that was already clustered around them. I mean, everybody’s scared of Ouija boards, right? Tarot cards are very similar. It might be an idiosyncrasy of mine, or something I’ve picked up from being a Christian and a C. S. Lewis fan, but I’ve always taken it as a given that magic is bad for you, and that if you mess with it a lot it will damage and diminish you.
      
      I think a book that presented Tarot cards a benign or neutral – as opposed to dangerous – would have to get over the average reader’s accumulated impression that Tarot cards are dangerous. I had to buy a deck of the Ryder-Waite Tarot cards, to look at the pictures on them, but I’d never shuffle them. After all, if some fortune-telling device works, you’re getting something: information. Is this free? If it’s not free, what is the cost?

So Powers indicates that he views Tarot cards as something that are dangerous and that (if one behaves morally) one should not use. That doesn’t preclude using Tarot cards in fiction, though, as long as one doesn’t glorify their use. You can show someone being attracted to Tarot cards (just like one can show someone in a story being attracted to any other evil) as long as the story retains a fundamental moral framework, which I gather his does with respect to Tarot cards since he seems to show the cost (danger/evil) associated with using Tarot cards.

This doesn’t mean he’s writing a story that’s just an anti-Tarot card apologetic. That kind of heavyhanded preaching in stories often ruins the art of the story–a fact on which Powers also comments:

Trying to make fiction that will illustrate a pre-determined message is (it seems to me) like trying to make wine by adding grape-juice to ethanol. Joan Didion said once that art is hostile to ideology, which I take to mean that if you force the ideology in, the art goes away.
      
      Of course any work of fiction will have a theme – maybe even a message! But I think these are more effective, and more truly represent the writer’s actual convictions, when they manifest themselves without the writer’s conscious assistance. I generally see a theme manifesting itself in whatever I’m writing, but I’d never presume to summarize it or attach a conclusion to it. I concern myself with my plots, but I let my subconscious worry about my themes.

I love that quote about making wine by trying to mix grape juice and ethanol, because that is what too many heavyhanded "message" stories are like. Michael Crichton’s STATE OF FEAR being a great example. Even though I’m quite sympathetic to his message in this book, the book itself is utter <EXPLETIVE DELETED> as a piece of literature.

So it sounds to me like Powers is doing what is generally considered sound practice in literary circles: Providing a moral framework for his story (Tarot cards = attractive + dangerous; like all sin) without turning this into a sermon cloaked in the guise of fiction.

That being said, I can’t say if this novel would be to my taste or not. Upon reading it I might like it or hate it. I’ll have to wait and see.

I did really like the interview with Powers at the Ignatius Insight website, though. One thing he said I laughed out loud at because he was expressing a literary opinion that I DEFINITELY agree with.

Y’see: Often times people want to read all kinds of covert messages in stories and say that they are really "about" something other than what they appear to be about. Except in the case of deliberate allegories, I resist this impulse and like to stay close to the text in my interpretation of the text. I therefore loved it when Powers said:


      I was on a panel once in which a woman said, "Dracula is actually about the plight of 19th-century women," to which I replied, "No, it’s about a guy who lives forever by drinking other people’s blood – don’t take my word for it, check it out."

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Author: Jimmy Akin

Jimmy was born in Texas, grew up nominally Protestant, but at age 20 experienced a profound conversion to Christ. Planning on becoming a Protestant seminary professor, he started an intensive study of the Bible. But the more he immersed himself in Scripture the more he found to support the Catholic faith, and in 1992 he entered the Catholic Church. His conversion story, "A Triumph and a Tragedy," is published in Surprised by Truth. Besides being an author, Jimmy is the Senior Apologist at Catholic Answers, a contributing editor to Catholic Answers Magazine, and a weekly guest on "Catholic Answers Live."

26 thoughts on “Strange Powers?”

  1. A couple days ago, I sent my Mom a link to this jimmyakin.org blog, thinking she’d enjoy it.
    Today, she emailed me back, telling me that jimmyakin.org was a horrible blog. In the first post she read, they were talking about all kinds of sick stuff. It’s got murder and rape and homosexuality and prostitution and adultery and the dismemberment of corpses and decapitation and driving spikes through people’s heads and stabbing people in the gut so that the contents of their intestines comes out. It also has a lot of weird stuff in it, like trees that talk and animals that talk and dragons and monsters composed of mixed-up body parts of other animals. It’s also got occult stuff in it: witches and mediums and demonic possessions and people who read books of magic.
    On top of that, jimmyakin.org irresponsibly tells its readers that one can make ethonol into wine by adding grape juice. The blogmaster himself approves of this dangerous practice as you can see by the following quote:
    “I love that quote about making wine by trying to mix grape juice and ethanol.” –Jimmy Akin, blogmaster of jimmyakin.org.
    Well, Jimmy, now my Mom thinks you’re the devil. I hope you’re proud of yourself.
    P.S. Drinking ethanol, despite what Jimmy tells you, will make you go blind and die. So don’t do it!!! Despite the fact that Jimmy’s out-of-context quote tells you that it’s okay!!!

  2. I have Declare in my pile of books I want to read and hope to get to it over the Christmas break.
    Amen to what you said about State of Fear. I am in sympathy with Crichton’s views in that tract (I can’t call it a novel) but the constant preaching ruined it.
    In a class I teach, I talk about didacticism in children’s books in the past. Back then didacticism took the form of puritanism and preaching. Now, it’s save the whales, save the rainforest and practice safe sex.

  3. Jimmy, I suspect you will like many of his books as well as you like the interview (he is a fabulously interesting man). Do yourself a favor and read his first big book first: The Anubis Gates. It is so relentlessly inventive that every chapter is like a four course meal. My son, who turned me into a Tim Powers fan some years ago, agrees that a chapter gives you the mental workout of several chapters of most books. And you will see in Anubis Gates a clear example of how his faith informs and frames his whole vision. He is an extremely good, perhaps great, writer.

  4. Hey Ry, whatever you do, don’t let your mom read the bible. Murder, animals with mixed up body parts, adultery, incest, genital mutliation and even some trickery and lying is in there.

  5. “Oh fish, are you constant to the old covenant?”
    “Return, and we return. Keep faith, and so do we.”
    I’m a huge Tim Powers fan. I haven’t read Last Call, but I have read Declare, The Anubis Gates, and The Drawing of the Dark. All of them contain plenty that is sick and wierd, although The Drawing of the Dark is somewhat milder than the others. I’ll second Jim’s recommendation for The Anubis Gates–it has some horrific scenes and ideas, along with plenty of occultic matter–as you might guess, Egyptian mythology plays a role–but it’s a great book, and I certainly didn’t think it was immoral.
    Declare is actually a very religious work, with Marian devotion being particularly critical. It’s also a great spy novel, and excellent work of fantasy, and an imazingly well-researched piece of historical fiction. However, it contains intense depictions of occultic evil, and might be disturbing to some readers.
    I haven’t read Last Call in particular, but I’m looking forward to it =)!
    BTW, here’s a couple links to reviews of Tim Powers’ books on a Christian review site
    Declare: http://www.pax-romana.net/refracted/declare.html
    Last Call: http://www.pax-romana.net/refracted/lastcall.html
    The Stress of Her Regard: http://www.pax-romana.net/refracted/stressofherregard.html

  6. Last Call has a fascinating mythology built around poker, tarot, Las Vegas, pagan fertility kings and other curious things. It also has an intensely flawed and irritating protagonist, who ultimately falls for and weds his adoptive sister.
    Ultimately, I think the story’s meant to portray a man with Issues struggling his way up to being a kind of “good pagan”, but the squick-value of the core romance, the boneheadedness of the hero reduce the entertainment value by alot, and something about the narrative arc and symbolism doesn’t quite gel.
    Declare is brilliant, Anubis Gates cool but a little over-hyped. On Stranger Tides I read a long time ago; it’s interesting as one of the few supernatural pirate stories to NOT come out of Disney, but like Last Call, there’s an uncomfortable sense of the heroes fighting fire with fire on the magic side of things.
    Personally, I liked Powers’s early SF novel, “Dinner at Deviant’s Palace”-sort of a jazz-themed post-apocalyptical hard-boiled detective/spaghetti western second best of the Powers books I’ve read; its hero is, again, a not very moral man struggling upward and backsliding and struggling again, but its religious preoccupations rang alot truer to me than the books in between it and Declare.

  7. “Dinner at Deviant’s Palace”-sort of a jazz-themed post-apocalyptical hard-boiled detective/spaghetti western” Yes, derringdo, that just about captures it! See what you’re in for Jimmy?

  8. In my opinion, the freakiest story in the Bible is found in Ezekiel 37:4-10. Here you have a valley of bone that get tendons and flesh put on them, THEN they have skin put on them, THEN they stand up like zombies (cuz they ain’t got no breath in them), then God animates their bodies by giving them breath.
    That would make one graphically scary horror flick.

  9. Yes. The foreskins section is my favorite. I just can’t imagine going the extra mile in the way David did.

  10. Nick: talking trees?
    Jim McC: yeah, honestly, I can’t imagine Jimmy A. not enjoying Powers. I was a little surprised he hadn’t stumbled across the author before now.
    Re: State of Fear: it’s useful as a reference guide for intellectual debate, and some of the “Put the tree-huggers in their places” power fantasy stuff is amusing. But it really doesn’t work as fiction. Loved the factoid about barking crocs though.

  11. I’ve been reading Powers for years and had no idea that he was a “conservative Catholic.”
    Like the other commenters, I recommend Powers’ earlier stuff, e.g., Anubis Gates, On Stranger Tides and Dinner at Deviant’s Palace, as being far more accessible than his later writings. Although that doesn’t mean that the later stuff isn’t worth reading; just that it usually takes about three attempts before I get far enough into these later books to feel that I have enough of an investment to stick with the project of reading the whole thing.
    One thing that I like about Powers is his use of history in his stories. He will develop some obscure bit of history, e.g., Kim Philby (Declare), the creation of Las Vegas (Last Call), or Lord Byron and the Romantic poets (Anubis Gates), and turn it into a frame on which he sets a story about what really happened.

  12. His only work I like is Anubis Gates. I find that in the other works, the disparate elements do not fuse; they were not heated hot enough to melt and form a single work.

  13. I read Powers way before I became Catholic and I loved his work. I much prefer Last Call over Annubis, but both are top notch!
    Powers books may be disturbing for more faithful people because they are part of that “magical realism” genre which seeks to take the everyday Joe in our workaday lives and infuse them with the supernatural power of magic. Now that I am Catholic, I can recognize the influence of the concept of the sacramental universe (that all of the natural world is shot through with the supernatural glory, beauty, significance, etc of God) in magical realism. In a sense, one is just clever rephrasing of the other.
    I actually have more reservations about reading a fantasy that actually touches on my faith (which is real) than I do about reading a fantasy that only alludes to it. because the former would seem to imply the faith I practice is just another fantastic diversion like DnD.
    I never knew he was Catholic, though. How wonderful! I cannot wait for him to die so I can add his name to my list of non-cannonized Catholic writers who I petition (Shakespeare, Chesterton, Tolkein)!

  14. I’ve actually met Powers at a convention, and he’s a good man–very friendly, riotiously funny, and always interesting. I talked with him for a while, and he discovered that I was Catholic, so he signed my copy of The Anubis Gates with “Fellow Papist!” and Declare with “Fellow adherent of the true faith!”

  15. The always-helpful Sandra Meisel first told me about Powers, in one of Mark Shea’s comboxes, IIRC.

  16. My girlfriend thinks the Sting song, Shape of My Heart was inspired by Last Call. Now every time I hear it, I think of the book.

  17. It’s really more like shrubbery that talks. Which sheds some light on the preoccupations of the Knights Who Say Ni.

  18. Mary: I know *exactly* what you meant about Powers’s books, except that for me, Anubis is one of the ones that doesn’t “fuse”, and Declare is one of the ones that does. But that latter may just be because I like spy stories in general.

  19. The person making the original inquiry apparently thinks if an occult item appears in a novel, then the novel is dangerously “occultist.” No, it all depends on treatment as your humorous take on the Bible demonstrates.
    I’ve loved Powers’ work since DRAWING OF THE DARK came out. DECLARE is the best and the most explicitly Catholic although I also like ANUBIS GATES. He does an amazing amount of historical research to plant fantasy elements in the midst of reality. “Inventive” is a feeble adjective to describe what he does.

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