JP2 And The Quran

by Jimmy Akin

in Islam

John_paul_ii_quranA reader writes:

I had never heard you address this on your show or Blog – though I’m certain you are familiar with it and have covered it before.  But what gives about the story of JPII kissing the Koran?!  I’ve seen it mentioned enough times by serious Catholics to accept this must have happened.  However, I don’t know the context of this event or any other details so I can only wonder what our late Holy Father might have been thinking…  Your thoughts?

This question has come up over the years, and I know that I’ve addressed it on the show (though I don’t have the faintest idea in what episodes), but I don’t seem to have done so on the blog, so here goes. . . .

First, I’ve reprinted the famous picture of the event above so that people can see what is being talked about.

Based on the picture alone, I would not be sure what is happening. The book is ornate and could be something other than the Quran. From the looks of it, it could be a book of the gospels.

However, the former Chaldean patriarch–Raphael Bidawid–was present at the meeting where the event occurred, and in an interview with the press service FIDES, he said the following:

On May 14th I was received by the Pope, together with a delegation composed of the Shi’ite imam of Khadum mosque and the Sunni president of the council of administration of the Iraqi Islamic Bank. There was also a representative of the Iraqi ministry of religion. I renewed our invitation to the Pope, because his visit would be for us a grace from heaven. It would confirm the faith of Christians and prove the Pope’s love for the whole of humanity in a country which is mainly Muslim.

At the end of the audience the Pope bowed to the Muslim holy book, the Qu’ran, presented to him by the delegation, and he kissed it as a sign of respect. The photo of that gesture has been shown repeatedly on Iraqi television and it demonstrates that the Pope is not only aware of the suffering of the Iraqi people, he has also great respect for Islam [SOURCE].

What, then, is one to make of the event?

It seems that there are a number of possibilities:

1) The FIDES news agency misquoted the patriarch.

2) Patriarch Bidawid was mistaken about what happened. It was not the Quran but something else.

3) John Paul II kissed the Quran but didn’t know the nature of the book he was kissing.

4) John Paul II kissed the Quran and knew that this is what he was doing.

I would love to think that either option (1), (2), or (3) was the case, but I have no evidence that any of them was the case.

The most likely one of the three, to my mind, would be (3), because so far as I know, John Paul II was not an Arabic speaker and may not have understood the nature of the book that he was being presented with.

People shove all kinds of books into the pope’s hands at audiences, and if the pope was under the impression that the thing to do with a gift in Iraqi culture is to kiss it as a sign of respect to the one who gives the gift then he might have kissed it reflexively, not even understanding the nature of the book.

While this is possible, I think it likely that an interpreter explained the nature of the gift that was being given on this occasion. This still leaves the possibility that the pope kissed it as part of Middle Eastern politeness rather than as a gesture of respect for the book itself.

I have heard claims that in some Middle Eastern cultures that this is a typical gesture of respect for one giving a gift, but I have asked Chaldean friends of mine whether this is the case in Iraqi culture and the answer was a definite "No." "The pope put his foot on the neck of all Chaldeans with this action" was the response I was given. (Just to make things clear, putting your foot on the neck of someone is a bad thing in Iraqi culture.)

Still, the pope may have been under the mistaken impression that this was the appropriate thing to do when receiving a gift in their culture. He can’t be an expert on every culture in the world, and he could get this wrong.

Or maybe he didn’t.

Maybe he knew it was the Quran and kissed it anyway, not as a customary gift giving response, but for some other reason.

What might that reason be?

It certainly wouldn’t be that he believes in Islam or believes that Islam is on a par with Christianity. If he believed either of these two things then he (a) wouldn’t be the earthly head of the Christian faith and (b) wouldn’t have approved the publication of Dominus Iesus, which asserts the salvific universality of Jesus Christ and the Church.

Any attempt to represent him as thinking one of those things doesn’t even get out of the gate.

So what might he have been thinking?

We’re only speculating here, but two things spring to mind as what JP2 might have been thinking:

1) The Quran does contain some elements of truth (as well as grave elements of falsehood) and he might have wanted to honor the elements of truth it contains.

2) Showing respect in this way could foster world peace and interreligious harmony.

Of these two, I would conjecture that the latter would have been uppermost in John Paul II’s mind, though the former may not have been absent.

John Paul II was a man who was enormously concerned with world peace and interreligious harmony. As a young man he lived through the horrors of World War II, which had a permanent effect on him and his generation and their views about war and peace.

As a mature man he lived through the Cold War that repeatedly brought the world to the brink of nuclear disaster, and this also had a permanent effect on him and his generation and their views about war and peace. The constant threat of nuclear warfare hung particularly heavily over Europe–which would have been the chief battleground in a conflict between the Soviet Union and the West–and (particularly on the heels of WWII) it deeply impressed the "find peace at any cost" message on his generation.

As a result of the Cold War, the nations of western Europe were forced into an alliance (NATO) whereby their centuries-long enmities (as between France and Germany) had to be suppressed for the sake of common survival. Negotiation became the key to survival in western Europe, and the same message was driven home to those in Eastern bloc countries, such as John Paul II’s native Poland.

By letting the US shoulder the main burden for the military defense of Europe (during and after the Cold War), many Europeans of John Paul II’s generation absorbed the idea that negotiation was paramount and could solve virtually any problem. It wasn’t until the events of the Global War On Terror that this idea began to be seriously called into question many in European circles.

As a result, as a man of his generation, John Paul II–for the best of motives–may have overestimated both the need for and the utility of gestures such as the one exhibited in the Quran-kissing event.

If the former pontiff did understand that the gift was a Quran and if he wasn’t under the impression that kissing a gift was a standard response in Iraqi culture then I would suppose that he did so out of a desire to foster peace and interreligious harmony, but it would still have been a mistake to my mind.

The Quran, whatever elements of truth it contains, also contains venomous attacks on the divinity of Christ and on Christian doctrine and these make it inappropriate for the Vicar of Christ to kiss it under any circumstances.

John Paul II also may not have been attending to the gravity of the false elements in the Quran. Even if he knew them, he may not have been thinking about them and may have acted on the spur of the moment, without fully thinking through his action.

Fortunately, the infallibility of the pope and the indefectibility of the Church do not extend to such actions. A pope is not attempting to make anything remotely like a dogmatic definition in an act of this nature. And so, however misguided the action may have been and however good the motives for it may have been, it would constitute an error that does not touch upon papal infallibility or ecclesial indefectibility.

It would be one of the mistakes that all fallen humans are heir to, even the vicars of Christ.

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So you are the arabic speaker !???? open your mind !!!!!!!

You've got the tinfoil wrapped too tight.

number 4 is the good answer

This is the best act in his life !
he knows that the Quran is the only book that he was never edited , his still and he will forever the true .

the moors controlled spain for 800 years, never once did they convert by force
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I sure you would join me in condemning any act by a government or individual which does not respect freedom of religion eg the right to change or renounce one's religion without civil penalty or community intimidation. Even today many Muslim-majority countries have the death penalty for converting from Islam. I'm sure you would condemn such laws.
Would you agree that today Muslims enjoy more freedom of religion in "Christian" and post-Christian countries that in any Muslim-majority country?

Surah 2:62 - “Verily, those who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians – all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds – shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.”
christians need to be more open about other religions. unlike whatever you guys want to believe, islam is religiously tolerant. the actions of so called "muslim" terrorists , are not acts of REAL muslims. the moors controlled spain for 800 years, never once did they convert by force, or else that country would have been muslim, and all historians would agree that spain is the country who had the strongest bond with the vatican throughout the last 1500 years. islam accepts the other faiths, were not pompous to the belief that theres only salvation through islam. because in reality, NOBODY knows what true salvation is. a lot of the stuff goes through the hands of human beings which err. god has no religion, abraham and moses were not christians. i accept my jewish and christian bretheren, never once will i tell them theyre not going to be saved, for i myself dont know where the balance will tilt on judgement day. so people need to stop worrying about others and worry aboutthemselves.

"John Paul was a flaming heretic..."
Well, I suppose many non-Catholics might think that. For Catholics, though, the Church's theology is quite clear: Jesus guaranteed us that the Holy Spirit would never allow a pope to lead the Church into error.

i just wanna support someone's comment that , kissing the Quran was just a sign of respect...that's all

I don't think I've ever seen anybody go through such gymnastics to defend an indefensible act.
John Paul was a flaming heretic and this is just more evidence.

Give our beloved JPII a break. Jimmy did a great job in qualifying what might have been a rather touchy - let alone controversial gesture. But it was just a gesture. I practice judo with a lot of Muslims and you know they are OK. I know, I know - there are some yahoo extremists, but I know some Catholics who have rubbed me the wrong way too. Bottom line: I think the John Paul II is a very kind man and wanted to show the genuine kindness to our arabic friends. Let's face he was old and being pope is a tough job. Benedict didn't want the post... poor fellow, but he's doing his best too. At the end of the day, all we can say to the Good God is "I tried my best Jesus."
Over and out

I think it was a sign of respect, I loved John Paul II and he helped in my "reversion" back to the faith.He was full of love for all man kind. I don't know why it wasn't given attention then or why he wasn't asked then? He had interviews, etc. from that point until he died...must have not seemed like such a big deal.
If you act like everyone else's religion is "evil"you wont make great strides in ecumenism. I love reading stories of his friendships with Jewish children and his great example of being a Chirstian to others.

Another thing to bear in mind is that, at the time JPII was in Iraq, Iraq was under the neo-Marxist Baath party regime, led by Saddam Hussein. Although Saddam's government was nominally Muslim, they were not (contrary to what some 'War on Terror' conspiracy theorists think) an Islamic government, but a secular military dictatorship.
All religious groups, Christians, Sunni and Shi'a Muslims, were under threat from Saddam and his Soviet backers (whom JPII was particularly opposed to, and highly successful in that opposition). Perhaps the Pope kissed the Quran as a sign of his support for all religious groups and their right to freedom of worship, and as a call for solidarity among people of faith to overcome Saddam.

I THINK THE POPE KISSED THE BOOK (WHATEVER IT IS) AS A SIGN OF RESPECT TO A GIFT AND TO THE PEOPLE WHOM THIS BOOK (WHATEVER IT IS) REPRESENTS. IT'S LIKE SAYING.."I LOVE AND RESPECT ALL HUMANKIND" I THINK,BY KISSING THE BOOK HE WAS JUST EXTENDING HIS LOVE TO ALL ISLAM...
I WONDER THOUGH WHAT WOULD POPE BENEDICT THINK....

Is this to be used as evidence for Orhtodoxy? I think not. When does the Pope speak infallibly? That's a hint.

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At one point of time, this blog was very focused on the topic in hand.
I guess its just out of hand now. However, there were some credible arguments. Well, that Johnny Malcolm chap sure was a hit. He must be pagan or something. To come up with such bad comments and the spirits thingy, just priceless... What if GOD was one of us~ Gosh, i would not want him to be GOD.

Hi Jim,
Do you know where a reference to the Koran's blaspheme of the (followers of) the Eucharist is? The comparison to excrement? I've heard people said the Koran is compatible with the Bible.

I have tried and tried to give JP II the benefit of the doubt here. But the fact is, now after his death, the subject persists and no explanation from the Vatican has been given. Meaning: most likely it DID happen, was a snafu and an error on JPII's part to which even the loftiest spin-doctors of the Vatican can find no remedy. Any/all speculation as to his motives are just that, since we will now never know.
Regardless, it damaged JPII's credibility (either by his action or omission of explanation/denial of same) and hurt the church on so many levels.
God Bless Pope Benedict!!!

Shalom! I'm kinda surprised to see this thread still going after two years (then again, maybe not). I don't know if my reply will be read after all this time, but here goes.
One thing no one seems to have brought up is the idea of "protocol." I was taught many years ago that it is protocol for His Holiness to kiss gifts given to him, as a sign of respect to the giver. Given the nature of the meeting, if he had NOT kissed the Koran (but had kissed other gifts), that would have been a serious breech of protocol and an insult against the people giving the gift and against the Iraqi people (in whose name the gift was being given.)

Well, right. He's Jimmy Akin...
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He was doing it as a sign of respect towards the leader dude. Other wise, he could of made a real good foe of the dude. I'm a protestant talk-giver, and seriously, I would of done the same thing, it was an act of respect, not worship, would you have that dude behead you or something? No...I don't think anyone would want that. So, keep your head on strait. BTW-No way are you James Akin...

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The Holy Father is not subject to the same types of things the under him are. The Holy Father is responsible for encouraging world harmony at any cost, because that was (and remains) what Jesus and Mary are ALL about. Kissing a Qu'ran in the quest toward less killing sounds like the exact opposite of blasphemy. Nay, it proves the ecumenism reached for by the greatest institution that has ever existed, th Roman Catholic Church.

What the hell whats wrong with kissin a koran as a sign of respect you dont have to make a big deal out of it its good that we have some peace now why cant we get along and respect each other its not like he is saying i am becoming muslim its not threat its just a sign of peace.

why don't you just ask the pope why he kissed the book?
or you could focus on more important things like getting along.

Hello all,
when I read what happened in a Mosque,and when I immersed in thoughts of the highly noble action the Pope have had done in a Muslem Mosque,I could not contain myself for both joy and tears(of joy also!)
in fact it was an action of great importance to all the followers of Abrahamic religions.
you know...I have to make somethings clear for you :
I saw here was written that Pope did not know the nature of the book he kissed ..and he did not know Arabic
I have to say that when I read this sentence I laughed in my heart for a while!so you probably think that if you are a native of Latin America and love Shakespeare , you ought to be eighter fluent in English or be a native of England?!
So I think with the exception of what languages Pope could speake and read...I dare say that he would live in 20th century not in middle ages.and the point is clear:
He must have read the Holy Koran in translations (in English,Latin,French etc,)
whatever he was and whatever he did , he was a good man.
may Almighty bless his soul

Y'wanna provide us with a translation, Ubah?

That's because there is no true religion and that will stay for ever and true in afterhere except "ISLAM."

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Come on, Bill - doncha know that there's no need for evidence when you have "faith"?...

We're dying to see your evidence?

Pope kissed the Koran because he knew what was the true religion. ISLAM.

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Maybe he did it out of respect.
I doubt if Pope John Paul the Great was a heretic, or a Muslim.
I think he did it as a cultural sign of respect--nothing more/nothing less.
Get over it. This is really overanalyzed.

Aiee. The pope, out of respect, kisses a holy book from another monotheistic faith—which is sort of like the theological equivalent of standing during a fellow nation's national anthem, really—and everyone's suddenly crying "heresy"? I would find it amusing if whole religious wars weren't started for pettier reasons...

"...just don't be insulting."
After the way you insulted Pope John Paul II by implying that he secretly believes Islam to be the true religion, but "just can't say deliberately", your aabove words are incredibly ironic.

the pope kissed the Qur'an knowing it is Qur'an. nobody shoved lots of books in his hands whaotsoever. he just can't say delibrately that he believes Islam is a true religion because he was the head of chirstians, and as you mentioned: he wouldn't be worthy to be the head of chirstians, and he didnt want you to think that.
as for those who said there Islam is pretty much alike with Mormonism, help yourself to a statistics book, how come you compare a religion in Utah with something all over the world. besides there is absolutely noway to compare someone reading a book out of a hat(joseph smith) with Prophet Mohammad.
Muslims respect christianity to be a previous religion from God and that Jesus was born to his will . i see you respect Jews more whereas they believe Jesus was born as a result to Mary having some relation with some guy. so i don't understand why you don't respect Muslims, you don't have to believe Islam is a true religion, just don't be insulting. whatever you believe in. just stop insulting Others. and Yes the previous pope did kiss qur'an . and he never and wouldn't have kissed the book of mormons or anything that's fake to his knowledge.

John: WE GET IT.
Vatican II was bad. Everything since Vatican II was bad. Paul VI was bad. John Paul II was very bad.
We get it. Really. You have made your point.
You seem to be incapable of making any other kind of point. You come across as one who is obsessed. Obsession is a mental illness. Please seek treatment.

"Well then why did not the Imam in respect as we are human as well as Catholics kiss the Bible or pray to Jesus"
You would have to ask him that.
"showing adoration of these falsities (their Quran) is like drugs"
John, as much as I know your ears are closed to this... the Pope was showing ordinary human respect and gratitude for a gift that was given him. We can't even say that he knew it WAS a copy of the Q'uran.
We all know you think you are more Catholic than the Pope. Move along, folks...

Tim posted:
"i think the pop kissed the quran to show the world that we are all humans and we have respect each other"
I agree."
Well then why did not the Imam in respect as we are human as well as Catholics kiss the Bible or pray to Jesus in return?
Praying with false faiths and showing adoration of these falsities (their Quran) is like drugs, one can not just "dabble" in it and still expect to remain pure to the faith, and for the Vicar of Christ to do so is heresy at its worst
Can someone show me an example of such before Vatican II's papacies?

"i think the pop kissed the quran to show the world that we are all humans and we have respect each other"
I agree.

moslims does not denny jessus .as a matter of fact ,he is one of the highiest and most respected humans. you cant be a moslem without beleiveing in him, but moslims recognize him as a prophet and a messenger of god. they belive that his mother is a virgin. she is also one of the highly respected humans. and i think the pop kissed the quran to show the world that we are all humans and we have respect each other . and because the quran is full of stories about jessus. sorry about my spilling and take care :)

While no doubt JPII was wise and devout, being Pope does not make you wise and devout, much less the wisest and most devout being in the world.
Certainly the Pope did not mean anything heretical by kissing the Quran but I think it was a mistake. Pretty much I agree with Jimmy's analysis above so I'll leave it at that, except to say that while Muslims worship one God who the Church has repeatedly identified as the true one, still they deny Christ and so lack salvific faith. They are not brothers in faith but rather unbelievers in need of evangelization.

claiming that John Paul didn't know the meaning of the Qur'an is one of the most offensive things i've ever heard a supposed religious catholic say. He is supposed to be the most wise and devout religious being in our faith. To claim that he didn't know the importance of the most important book in the second largest religion in the world is not only offensive, but one of the most idiotic statements i've ever heard. He respects the book who shares the same ancestor and early history as the catholic faith and as a sign to our muslim brothers who also believe in the SAME god we do, he kissed it. He has repeatedly preached that if someone is a good and faithful person who believed in the one true god, he is a brother in faith. Muslims, though differing in practice, believe in the same one true god that we do and thus deserve his respect.

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Is that a dishonest attempt to make Muslims look stupid and ignorant and racist? If so it worked.
I have to go to bed, so rather than pick apart that tangled mess I'll just give you this. Jesus' original name was not Jesus or Isa, it was Yeshua. Also Christ does not mean one hanged on a cross but "annointed one".

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