Surviving Sunday Mass

by Jimmy Akin on April 4, 2006

in Liturgy

One of the pitfalls of becoming a Catholic educated in the faith is that occasions for outrage rise exponentially. One of my favorite parts of Mass as a baby Catholic was joining hands to sing the Our Father. Now I dread the touch on my arm — or the occasional poke in the ribs — that signals that someone isn’t listening to my “I don’t hold hands at the Our Father”-body language.

As I learned more about Liturgical Correctness — have you noticed that “liberal” Catholics are Politically Correct and “conservative” Catholics are Liturgically Correct? — I struggled with maintaining a sense of worship while a Mass would circle the Pit of Relativity. I wasn’t interested in signing up with radical Traditionalism but I sympathized with the outrage radical Traditionalists feel when liturgical rubrics intended to safeguard the dignity of the Mass are treated as menu options at Cafeteria Catholicism.

One article that helped me during this time was a piece Jimmy wrote on maintaining spiritual peace in the midst of problems in the Church. I especially took heed at the image of outraged congregants becoming spiritual fruitchuckers and my prayer at Mass for spiritual peace would often consist of “Lord, please don’t let me become a spiritual fruitchucker.”

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Fortunately for me, over the years that I’ve attended, my parish has improved. So much so that I would unhesitatingly recommend it to anyone seeking a Good Parish in San Diego. A lot of the longstanding liturgical abuses — everything from a missing altar crucifix during Advent and Easter to a horde of EMHCs gathered ’round the altar — have been swept away. Parish life has also improved: We are blessed with perpetual eucharistic adoration (the establishment of this being the point at which I detected the shift to parish orthopraxy) and with regular retreats, missions, and seminars offered by solidly-orthodox lay speakers.

That’s why I was caught off-guard this past Sunday. Here’s what happened:

Because this Mass hosted the third Lenten scrutiny for the RCIA, we used the alternate readings, which meant that the Gospel reading was the raising of Lazarus. I closed my eyes in disgust when three of the lay RCIA facilitators traipsed up to the altar to join in the “interactive” Gospel reading — something only supposed to happen on Palm Sunday and Good Friday. But it was when one of the lay readers cordially invited us to sit for the Gospel that I had to choke back some heated commentary of my own. It had been awhile since this particular abuse had occurred but this time I managed to lower the kneeler without thumping it against the floor in outrage. (My solution to previous invitations to sit for the Gospel had been to kneel — a more profound sign of reverence than standing — rather than contribute to the spectacle by being the lone person standing.) When the “players” proceeded to use a translation not found in my missalette, I dropped my head into my hands and spent the Gospel reading praying for spiritual peace.

The show over, the priest gave a good homily but one that seemed strangely brief. Immediately we found out why: The rest of the time for the homily had been given over to a lay speaker there to encourage everyone to attend a Lenten mission he’d be conducting this week. Although I’d have preferred for the priest to have given a short homily and then invited the layman to speak during the period for announcements — he could even have mentioned at the end of his homily that the layman would be speaking during the announcements to let the early-birds know not to run out during the announcements — I found myself enjoying the talk and looking forward to the Lenten mission. Surely, thought I, the peace I’d prayed for had been granted.

Then came time for the priest to impose hands on the elect. First, though, we sat through a litany of the personal hopes and needs of each candidate. “Free X from bondage to procrastination,” chanted our cantor, “That he might find resolve in you.” Obviously X and his fellow candidates in RCIA had been asked to plug in the vice to which they were enslaved and the virtue they prayed would replace it.  (Curiously, at least three candidates wanted to be freed from Demon Procrastination, so I wondered if the RCIA director had suggested it as a Sample Vice that could penned into the "vice" blank.)  As I’ve done for several Lents now, I once again gave thanks that my RCIA experience in this parish ten years previously had not required me to bare my soul like this. There’s a reason the Church moved from public to private confession over a millennium ago.

Finally the priest imposed his hands and prayed over the candidates, so I thought we were blessedly done with this and could move on to the Creed. Nope. First the congregation was cordially invited to extend their hands to the elect and pray along with the priest. Then we were to “welcome” the elect with a hearty round of applause. To all the world appearing mean and curmudgeonly because I did not want to join in this, I prayed but did not extend my hand and settled for aiming a bright smile of welcome to the elect rather than applaud.

Finally, finally, it was done. The elect were sent back to their seats and we could continue with the Mass. But by this time even the priest apparently was so disoriented that he completely forgot to lead us in the Creed and the prayers of intercession, instead skipping directly to the offeratory. While the congregation was busily singing a hymn of repentance (I kid you not), I flipped to the Creed and, sotto voce, read it aloud. (I’ve found that even a memorized prayer is hard to recall when everyone else is singing a song.)

So, did I leave that Mass angry? Thankfully, no. By the time Mass was over, my spiritual equilibrium was back in place. Certainly grace played its part, but I also reminded myself how rare such spectacles had become at this particular parish. I reminded myself of the overwhelming good this parish has done, and not because I had been in any way directly involved in shaping the parish’s liturgical or communal life. A host of good people, clerical and lay, could take credit for that. All for which I could take credit — and even the credit for this that was mine was limited because God deserved most of it — was for triumphing over the temptation to become a spiritual fruitchucker.

This story is a long lead-in to another post. How do we avoid going rad Trad when the temptations to do so can sometimes be overwhelming? How do we prevent righteous anger at genuine problems in the Church from eating away at our souls like dropped acid and turning us into bitter, disaffected souls isolated from the mainstream of Catholic life? I don’t have the cure, or even an inoculation, to radical Traditionalism, but only some suggestions that may help. Those suggestions will be the focus of an upcoming post.

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Tim J,
That's a different John.

John, I don't know if you realize this, but with your incoherent, hateful rambling you do far more to destroy the reputation of "rad-trads" than any blogger could.
Ending your screed with the word "peace" in three languages is truly comical.
Your posts are a self-parody, and consistently serve to remind everyone who reads them of the sanity and reasonableness of the Conciliar Church. For that, we all owe you thanks.
Peace in Christ.

As I read comments of other contributors in this blog I realized just how demeaning the phrase trad rad/rad trad or whatever the hell the Novus Ordo Secularum aka post vatican two pauline catholics use to denigrate Orthodox aka Traditional latin rite Catholics. If more "Orthodox/conservative Catholics would get up and walk out of their novus ordo secularum masses/parishes and attend the Classic Latin rite masses that are so infregently permitted by semi-apostate clerics like tod brown, roger mahoney retired presbyter weakland, chief poo bah's lustiger, daneel, ricard and the rest of the revisionist clerics in the Latin rite of the Catholic church then they are showing that the majority of long suffering conservative Catholics "that amount to tens of millions worldwide" "ain't" takin this crap anymore.HOPE U FOLKS LIKED ALL THE LABELS MAYBEy INTEGRIST, RAD TRADS AND OTHER LABELS WILL SHOW THE STUPIDITY OF LABELLING FOLKS THAT DON'T TOW THE bugnini/paul 6 PARTY LINE Shalom/Pacem/Pax----John

AND HERE WE GO AGAIN, Reverts, converts, rad trads, Orthodox, Heterodox,heretics, infidels, indults novus ordinarians,palmerians, sedevacantists SSPX, indult, independant,schismatics and the sweet list go's on and on and on and on.I converted to Catholic Christianity from an Anglican/Baptist background when the Mass was simply the Mass aka The Tridentine Liturgy. Along comes an un-necessary meeting of minds called vatican 2 and a dummying down of the Catholic religion. The end result is more hatred amoung the varied factions of Catholic Christendom than exists between Jews and muslims.Has anyone stopped to contemplate the author of this confusion in the Worldwide Catholic communion, does the word Satan ring a bell with any of you folks????????????????????????? Shalom Pacem

OOOOOOH ya reverts, converts, rad trad, heretics, schismatic, novus ordinarians, sedevacantists, infidels, apostates,traditionalists, indults, SSPXer's, Orthodox Heterodox, independants,Palmerians, yup the list go's on and on and on and on. I converted to the Catholic Christians faith coming from an Anglican/Baptist backgroung when it was JUST the Mass in this case the normative was the Tridentine liturgy universally. And along comes the un-necessary meeting of minds call Vatican 2 and wham totally new mass and all of a sudden I feel like I'm back in an Anglican/Baptist church .There is more hatred today (2006) amoung Catholics that there is between Jews & muslims. Doesn't anyone see a Satanic hand in all this????????????? Shalom/Pacem

One more article reagrding holding hands during the Our Father.
http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=...

Here's a link regarding the "holding hands" issue from the Catholic Culture web site. I'm not very good at html tags so I'm just copying and pasting here. Forgive the newbie!
http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?r...
For what it's worth, I've recently come back to the Church after a many, many year absence. The church I grew up in (Sacred Heart, Bradford, MA) was, from my recollection, very traditional. Ironically, the church I know attend in Indianapolis is also called Sacred Heart. One of the things I was so looking forward to was the familiarity of the Mass. I missed it. The "ritual" of mass comforts me.
Anyway, you can imagine my surprise when someone reached out and tried to hold my hand during the Our Father. I looked up and there's the priest holding hands with the altar girl (that's a whole 'nother can of worms), the song leader, the liturgy reader, and some of the eucharistic ministers. It just doesn't feel right. I simply bowed my head, closed my eyes, and prayed the Our Father aloud with the congregation. I know they're probably thinking, "Hey, look at the new guy...doesn't he know we hold hands?" Well, no offense, but I don't. Didn't do it then, not gonna do it now. Guess I'm just a 39 year old stick in the mud.

That's true. When I was a recent convert and wet-eared catechist, I was once told by the DRE of the parish that the Pope had no business writing Humanae Vitae, because he was a celibate male, who scouldn't understand what it was like to be a woman in today's world, blah, blah, blah...
This was the woman supervising my work as a catechist!
Going to the priest would have done no good at all, since it had become apparent in my confessions that he did not take Church teaching on sin seriously. There was a reason this woman was his DRE... they were absolutely of a piece in how they viewed the faith.
Needless to say, I grew disheartened and left, which probably didn't disappoint either of them in the least. My family ended up at another area parish that was a bit more orthodox, where we remain. It doesn't fulfill my every wish in a parish, but its ours, and we're sticking with it.

[i]If all of the orthodox leave the parish to join their own exclaves, there will be nobody left to pray, help and work with the utmost caritas, gently guiding our brothers and sisters and showing them the benefits of respect and reverence at mass.[/i]
Excellent point. But I think it comes down to the parish priest.
Ours is very liberal and has worked to systematically exclude more orthodox members. He listens to none of our concerns, and when we volunteer for ministries, we never get called.
My dh just got 'pushed out' of RCIA (very subtly) because he had a tendency to say, "Well, let's see what the Church says in the catechism" rather than "Oh, I think...." He now works as a sponsor, helping one convert at a time, rather than be constantly angry about the battles with the liberal establishment at our church.
Orthodox Catholics sometimes don't leave for exclaves. Sometimes they are pushed out. We're holding on by our teeth.

Just figured I'd chime in with the "letter of the liturgical law" to clear up any confusion about the Rite of Peace.
The Rite of Peace may optionally include an invitation for all to exchange a sign of peace:
"Afterwards, when appropriate, the priest adds, Offerte vobis pacem (Let us offer each other the sign of peace)." (Missale Romanum, Institutio Generalis, aka GIRM, 154)
The sign of peace can be offered to more than one person ("those who are nearest" is a plural construct) with the following qualifiers:
"It is appropriate “that each one give the sign of peace only to those who are nearest and in a sober manner”. “The Priest may give the sign of peace to the ministers but always remains within the sanctuary, so as not to disturb the celebration. He does likewise if for a just reason he wishes to extend the sign of peace to some few of the faithful”. “As regards the sign to be exchanged, the manner is to be established by the Conference of Bishops in accordance with the dispositions and customs of the people”, and their acts are subject to the recognitio of the Apostolic See." (Redemptionis Sacramentum, 72, quoting GIRM, 82, 154)
The USCCB has made an approved adaptation that allows the priest to leave the sanctuary for the sign of peace in some circumstances:
"In the dioceses of the United States of America, for a good reason, on special occasions (for example, in the case of a funeral, a wedding, or when civic leaders are present) the priest may offer the sign of peace to a few of the faithful near the sanctuary." (GIRM, 154)

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I do get tired of hearing how people "can't" participate in the Mass, when the truth is they've chosen not to.
No need to apologize, I get this sort of judgementalism from most traditionlists I meet.
Fact is, as a trained choir member and cantor for 15 years (not a steady diet of Haugen and Haas), I'm quite accomplished at following along in Latin. The priest, in this case, didn't see a need to make himself heard to his congregation.

With respect, you cannot go to one TLM and issue the comments you made--not if you want to be fair. It takes time to acquaint oneself (or reacquaint) to a rite in a different language with different modes of participation. Your posts amounts to saying, in essence, "that Mass was different than the one I'm used to so I don't like it.
Tim, you'd be right if that were the case. And when I was a boy, I served the Latin mass, and actually began discerning a vocation to the priesthood, until Vatican II.
They took my mass, and even at 8 years old, left me bitter. I wandered almost 40 years in the desert of my anger, sadness and then apathy. About 6 years ago, I felt the spirit of God once again move within me. And this wasn't because of attendance at a reverent liturgy, but dispite atendance at a "faith community" with great entertainment and lots of lay "participation". As an example of the abuses, the "liturgy committee" decided one year to use home made altar bread for communion on Holy Thursday. The first year they followed the recipe exactly and discovered that the bread was pretty much tasteless. That was the last year we received Jesus in the Eucharist at Holy Thursday mass, because the next year, the bread in the little "bread baskets" were made with honey.
I love the Latin mass, but not enough to abandon my current parish to the whims of modernism. I revere the Blessed Sacrament enough to fight for a sense of reverence, and luckily, my new pastor bring that to the "table" (excuse the pun :))
A problem I have with RadTrads™, is the attitude I see with them (and the attitude defines the RadTrad). They have a very vocal disdain for the Novus Ordo Missae. They many times have a non-vocal disdain for our Holy Father and the living magesterium of the Catholic Church who foisted this snafu called Vatican II on them. They are the quintessiential experts on what music is appropriate, what instruments are appropriate, what postures are appropriate regardless of what the Vatican and our local ordinaries have told us. Rather than using their knowledge of tradition and the gifts of the Holy Spirit to help reform the mass at their "trendy corner parish", they retreat like some exclusive club to the local indult (if one is available) or watch wistfully on EWTN (if there isn't).
Again, I want to reiterate that this describes RadTrads™, and there are many faithful, humble Catholics with a traditionalist bent who enjoy the parish that celebrates the Latin mass. You can identify them by what they do if the Latin mass is eliminated in their parish. They obey their Bishop, and they bring reverence to the new mass setting by their participation and their example. They are shining beacons showing all of us what the mass can be.
RadTrads™ carp, moan, complain, possibly protest and eventually bail.
We need people who hold the burning embers of the past in their censers and blow on them occasionally to keep them warm waiting for the day when it will burst into the flames of authentic renewal of our sacred liturgy.
We need a Catholic (universal) church. Not a divided church.

That sounds pretty bad, Danby. I guess I should be thankful that I'm at a great parish.

The question asked here is one I and my family have struggled with for 20+ years. My answer is that the b******s haven't driven me to the SSPX....yet. Currently we drive 70 miles to Mass every Sunday. We started attending Mass in another diocese 8 years ago. The final straw was when the deacon at our semi-local parish (we stopped attending the local parish after being denounced from the pulpit for our selfinsness in having so many children) literally pulled our daughter to her feet for communion, after we had made arrangements with the pastor that she ( and all of us) could recieve kneeling. Add to that the day I discovered our kids playing "Name That Heresy" at Mass, well, it was obviously time for a change. Now we are in a place we can worship God from, without the craziness of our old Diocese. As an added advantage, there's no hand-holding during the Our Father and our parish has a local tradition (approved by the bishop) of no handshaking at the "kiss of peace.

Interesting, which RadTrad in schism? None. Not counting "Old Catholics" who are Catholics....
Charitable? Perhaps I was PMSing when I wrote my post but I will stand by it because I believe that Michelle's blog is truly full of complaints that she does nothing about. Is it charity to just pat her on the shoulder and say "there, there Michelle"....or light a fire under her *ss and make her DO something?!
Her survival to get through the Mass, though some rubics may (or may have been) abused; she still attends this church....leave, stop being in this supposed survival mode and go find a church where you don't feel battle weary.
The "RadTrads" actually have it right they see the abuses and instead of writing blogs and whinying they did something about it, they left never to return to THAT chapel and went where Our Lord in venerated, worshipped and adored, and most if not all the rubics are 'intact'.

Susan, re your comments on handholding: While I realize the potential for hurt and misunderstanding by those whose hands are rebuffed, I don't think that is a reason to hold hands. Instead it becomes an argument for encouraging pastors to put a halt to the practice.
I will only hold hands if the person who reaches for my hand is a child. With everyone else, I keep my head down and hands clasped in front of me. Then, at the sign of peace, to demonstrate that I'm not rejecting anyone personally (just the handholding) I will usually offer the peace to everyone nearby -- even though, technically speaking, it really should only be offered to just one person.

I bow, at the "incarnatus" when in one or the other of the Western Rites.(it is not a tradition in the Byzantine Rite) I have always done so since I was taught to as an Anglican by the very high church fellow who catechized me. When they were explaining this new change my daughter whispered to me...but you always do that...I never knew why.
No one said a word about my comments about hand holding.
Susan Peterson

"Have you ever been to the cloistered Carmelite monastery (on the north end of Hawley Boulevard, San Diego) for their Sunday 4 P.M. Mass?"
No, Father, but I've heard good things about that monastery from Catholic Answers' chaplain. He celebrates daily Mass for them on Mondays and has been very impressed with them. I'll have to look into going to the Mass you mention sometime. :)
BTW, for those in the San Diego area, Fr. Stephanos' own monastery Prince of Peace Abbey in Oceanside also offers reverent liturgies that the public may attend. The site says that Masses are 11 AM, Monday thru Saturday, and 10:30 AM on Sunday.

Dear Michelle,
Have you ever been to the cloistered Carmelite monastery (on the north end of Hawley Boulevard, San Diego) for their Sunday 4 P.M. Mass?
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Nearly all of you sound sad and angry. Faith Hope and Charity?

+J.M.J+
that's the whole point, isn't it? why is our personal statement of belief necessary when 1) the priest has already, in the person of Christ and on behalf of the people, done this, and 2) you have come to the rail, knelt down, and presented yourself to receive Him, as though that isn't a personal statement of faith in and of itself?
I'm not arguing for or against the Tridentine or Pauline Masses, or saying one is better than another. I actually attend both and like them both.
I'm only correcting the idea that our "Amen" is somehow "required" in the Pauline Mass to make the species into the Body and Blood of Christ. This is what your post implied, but it is mistaken.
If you want to argue that our "Amen" is unnecessary for the reasons you stated, that's fine. I just couldn't allow a mistaken notion to go uncorrected, that's all.
Michelle, did you remember to bow when you prayed the creed? It still tells us to in my missalette.
Does anybody besides me still do this?
I do, and my pastor reminds everyone to do so during each (Pauline rite) Mass he celebrates. I don't know how successful he is, but he's trying and I'm glad he is.
In Jesu et Maria,

Sorry, that should be: "By the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary and..." *bow*

"Michelle, did you remember to bow when you prayed the creed? It still tells us to in my missalette.
Does anybody besides me still do this? (Of course, when you're bowing it's hard to see if anybody else is bowing...)"
Do you mean during the part where we say "By the power of the Holy Spirit he came down from heaven..."? I bow, as I think most of my parish does.
Interesting fact - during Beethoven's Missa Solemnis at this point the singer who sings the Credo repeats the word "et...et..." (and...and) as though he is so awed by the fact that God became man that he can't continue singing.
Anyway, I sometimes feel lucky to live in NJ where there's several parishes within a 20 minute radius to choose from, including a few Eastern Catholic parishes and one that offers the Latin mass. When I'm away at school in a relatively non-Catholic area I feel even more blessed to have a great parish.
Still, even though I sometimes feel this way, the most important thing as other people have pointed out is the Eucharist. During communion I try (and usually tend) to forget wherever I am.

The Mass -- no matter what rite -- is supposed to be a foretaste of Heaven. Are we supposed to be silent when it's more like Purgatory? No. And so Michelle is doing something about it. She is a writer, so she is writing.
I agree that it's easy for us to get upset about what we don't like. But it's also easy for us to forget that Jesus' coming in the Eucharist is not supposed to be ignored in favor of turning the congregation into playtoys for liturgists.
The rubrics are not the congregation's job to oversee. We shouldn't have to have any problems finding a Mass that follows them. We should be able to walk into any Catholic church in the world and find that. At minimum. But we don't.
If a McDonald's franchise broke one-tenth the rules, that Mickey D's would have Corporate on its head like a ton of bricks. Not because Corporate is mean, but because McDonald's sells consistency. There is local diversity of menu, but practices are the same, training is the same, standards are the same. Everywhere. Why is a modicum of consistency too hard for us, then?
My Lord can come to me from the mouth of a dead dog, yes. But I think it's not too much to wish for a less canine and cadaverous Mass than what too many folks get.

"One of the pitfalls of becoming a Catholic educated in the faith is that occasions for outrage rise exponentially." -- Michelle Arnold
Yeah, and I imagine that there is a pretty high correlation between that so-called and self-taught education that you speak of and the proclivity--amongst the particularly arrogant, that is--to start sentences with the words, "When I was a 'baby Catholic'...", or when otherwise rambling on about "surviving" a Mass in which you not only glanced upon "the body, blood, soul and Divinity of Our Risen Lord," but, presumably, actually had the honor and privilege of receiving Our Lord into your own body.
Tell me again, Michelle, and all things considered, what a burden it was for you to assist or to otherwise participate in this particular Mass. (God knows, you barely "survived, right?) By all means, and as per your promise, please use the word "acid" is your next and much anticipated blog and when speaking of an otherwise valid, licit Mass.

Do tell, what parish in San Diego do you belong to? :)

Michelle, did you remember to bow when you prayed the creed? It still tells us to in my missalette.
Does anybody besides me still do this? (Of course, when you're bowing it's hard to see if anybody else is bowing...)

Michelle,
There is a third option. Attend an Eastern Catholic Church. The Liturgy is NEVER banal. The ONLY abuses I have seen are "Latinizations" that is forms of worship or devotions that have crept in from the Roman Church, which should have only stayed in the Roman Church according to John Paul II in Lumen Orientalem.
At an Eastern Catholic Church you will only get orthodoxy and beautiful worship!
I believe that Jim Roche is my long lost cousin!
:-)

"The priest did not wear a mic, and since he was talking to the altar, I couldn't make out what he was saying so I could follow along in the missal. I didn't have to. The choir did that for us. All we had to do was sit and watch... ummm... kneel and watch... umm... stand and watch... kneel and watch... sit and watch... The common thread was "watching", and we really didn't know when to sit stand and kneel (well, sort of but we discovered that our timing was off)."
The first TLM I attended I was angry because I could not hear and did not know everything that was occurring. I have learned a lot since then, and have even served at Low Mass, but it takes some work. I remember having a discussion with my father, whose life has straddled the change, about the differences between the new and old liturgies. He expressed that he prefers the NO because it is easier. Paraphrasing, he can just sit and relax and not expend any effort.

Is holding hands at the Our Father that common? No parish in this area that I have ever regularly attended does this, and I don't remember seeing it much, if at all, at churches I've attended occasionally or on vacation. Is it a regional issue only in certain parts of the country?
I also happened to attend the RCIA Mass this past Sunday, and our pastor asked the whole congregation to raise our hands to pray over the elect. I just assumed it was part of the rite, having never attended a scrutiny Mass like this before. Is that something that was not an allowable option? Our pastor is pretty orthodox, so I just assume he knows what he's doing.

Golly. Are all Rad Trads this charitable?
Heather, which Rad Trads are schismatics, in your view?

Michelle, Michelle....another blog post of you bitching and complaining about the Liturgical abuses but you do nothing about it....and for that reason alone you DON'T have the full right to complain. Buck up and shut up or make a move. By the way; stop equating 'radTrads' as schismatics, they aren't. It is just another example of how inept, uninformed, and whiney you are.

Franklin, I'm a cradle Catholic, I took Latin, and since a kid I'd been reading my mother's missal and pre-VII photo book of the old Mass. I've successfully followed along at NO Masses in a good many different languages, including Latin, and kept up with homilies in Spanish.
But the first time I went to a Tridentine Mass, it was hard to follow. Very hard. Only broadly could I even tell where we were, since the priest was so far away and quiet. People kept giving me looks when I didn't magically know everything to do or how to make every gesture. They did not have any available missals, either. (I won't say they were unfriendly or unwelcoming; but apparently they felt that this was like attending a seisiun -- you have to attend several times and be sufficiently proficient at what's going on before anyone will talk to you.)
I'm glad it was easy for you, but it isn't that way for many of us. Personally, I could see why people like the old Mass, and the choir was good, but... it's not very reverent in a big church, I think. People obviously did their own thing back in the day because they couldn't keep up with the Mass, either. In a small church, you could actually stay with the priest and keep tabs on Mass, I'm sure. I'm sure other folks' mileage varies, but I'm glad we've got the new Mass.

Jim, off the top of my head, the reasons why I like NO are:
1) the three year Sunday lectionary cycle
2) aware of what prayers the priest is saying (and not expected to be reading a completely different set of prayers)
3) liturgical year calendar

"The priest did not wear a mic, and since he was talking to the altar, I couldn't make out what he was saying so I could follow along in the missal. I didn't have to. The choir did that for us. All we had to do was sit and watch... ummm... kneel and watch... umm... stand and watch... kneel and watch... sit and watch... The common thread was "watching", and we really didn't know when to sit stand and kneel (well, sort of but we discovered that our timing was off)."
Boy, its a shame that, with a missal right in front of you, you chose not to participate in the liturgy. Sure, you can't walk into a Tridentine liturgy totally unprepared (by that I mean having never attended on, or not having attended since 1969) and find it immediately accessible, but a couple of hours reading to familiarise yourself with the liturgy and it goes smooth as silk.
I should know. The first Mass I ever attended, at the age of 27, was a TLM high mass. I managed to pray along with everyone else, no problem. Its a shame the cradle catholic couldn't.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I do get tired of hearing how people "can't" participate in the Mass, when the truth is they've chosen not to.

Just this past Saturday evening I went to my local parish (I was scheduled as EMHC which is not what they call it in my diocese, and I still do feel honored to do this and feel joy to give our Lord to people, even though I see that there might be better ways to do this.) Afterwards there was a wine and cheese and other good stuff opportunity to socialize, which we have once a month. I was trying to explain to someone why I mostly go to the Eastern Rite now, explaining that I like things "more ceremonial." Now these very nice people think that "conservatives" who like things "more ceremonial" are all mean and nasty, but they don't think I am mean and nasty, so they are perplexed. The woman asked me why some people turn away and refuse to hold hands. She obviously felt hurt that someone had done this to her at that mass. After all, isn't that what we are all about, love and community? I tried to explain to her that some people want to focus on God at that point, that they find it distracting. She looked puzzled and repeated, but God wants us to love each other, so expressing community is focusing on God, I think, she said. I pointed out to her that my husband's Episcopalian parish kneels to say the Our Father, and yet they are quite a close, loving congregation, always greet me warmly when I visit there; that community can exist without that particular manifestation of it. She agreed with that, and then said...but since this is what we do here...why refuse...it seems so unfriendly, so stubborn, as if you don't like the other people or want to touch them. I begged her not to take it that way, as I knew people who didn't like hand holding, and that was not why they felt that way.
So I beg those of you who don't like hand holding, when you find yourself in a parish that does it, try to go along with it rather than hurt people who don't understand your position on it. Unless this violates your conscience, then make eye contact with them, smile at them, and when you get a chance, say something like, I pray better when I put my hands together and think about God.
Personally, when I go to parishes which do this...and we do it at daily mass also...I do it as joyfully and enthusiastically as I can. I look upon it as a different style of worship, and one in which I can join with much less upset than singing some of that bad music.
I think that if the whole style of the mass changes to be more formal, chanted, mysterious, hand holding will fall by the wayside as not fitting in with the atmosphere of it. So lets work on that, rather than refusing to hold people's hands which really does hurt their feelings sometimes. You can drop a note to the liturgy committee and the pastor explaining why you think the practice is inappropriate...but until it changes, don't refuse. That is my two cents worth here.
Then the next day I happily went to the Byzantine Rite parish where there is no hand holding and no sign of peace either...and I don't miss them.
Susan Peterson

>>>The words of the Priest at communion are "Corpus Domini nostri Jesu Christi custodiat animam tuam in vitam aeternam. Amen" We don't respond amen because our assent is not required to make the species into the Body and Blood of Christ.
>>The laity's "Amen" in the current rite is a personal statement of belief that the Eucharist already is Christ. It does not cause transubstantiation.

Curiously, at least three candidates wanted to be freed from Demon Procrastination, so I wondered if the RCIA director had suggested it as a Sample Vice that could penned into the "vice" blank.
Perhaps they were just University students.
Regarding the temptation to Rad-Trad-ism:
Beware the Dark Side. Once you step down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.

+J.M.J+
>>>The words of the Priest at communion are "Corpus Domini nostri Jesu Christi custodiat animam tuam in vitam aeternam. Amen" We don't respond amen because our assent is not required to make the species into the Body and Blood of Christ.
The laity's "Amen" in the current rite is a personal statement of belief that the Eucharist already is Christ. It does not cause transubstantiation.
In Jesu et Maria,

If people like Michelle and others who are well educated in their faith and true believers are discomforted by some of the practices at the NO Mass, spare a thought for the millions around the world who, while born into Catholic homes in the years following Vatican II and attending Catholic schools were never educated about the faith.
They didn't storm out of Mass. They just drifted away. They didn't see liturgical abuse. They just saw irrelevance in terms of their own lives. I know because I was one of them.
I attend the SSPX Mass. The vast majority of my contemporaries in once Catholic Ireland attend no Mass at all.
Does anyone believe the NO will ever win back these souls? Not when its best people praise it in such terms as "My parish isn't too bad" or "We have got rid of a lot of the abuses"
Two questions.
1. Can one of you explain what in an abuse free NO Mass is an improvement on the traditional Mass.
2. If you expect loyalty from someone in your life do you think it is better that they tell you when you have made a mistake or quietly hope that someday you figure it out by yourself.

Tony,
With respect, you cannot go to one TLM and issue the comments you made--not if you want to be fair. It takes time to acquaint oneself (or reacquaint) to a rite in a different language with different modes of participation. Your posts amounts to saying, in essence, "that Mass was different than the one I'm used to so I don't like it".
What you describe as mere "watching" are opportunities for active participation in the Mass. Speaking out loud is merely one type of participation. If you don't believe me, ask yourself what is the MOST sublime moment of participation in the novus ordo Mass, the moment of most intense participation by you during the Mass. If you say, the moment of consecration-- the unbloody sacrifice of our Lord for us-- then you will note that you are silent at this time.
The words of the Priest at communion are "Corpus Domini nostri Jesu Christi custodiat animam tuam in vitam aeternam. Amen" We don't respond amen because our assent is not required to make the species into the Body and Blood of Christ. The priest truly acts "in persona Christi" and intercedes for Christ's Body, the Church.
I will make a friendly wager with you, and say that if you attend the TLM for seven straight days you will feel differently. Or at least, your rejection of it will be based on better information.

Thanks to the two priests who mentioned that at least one of the occurences at the Mass was a legitimate option. I'm not always right, which also helps my spiritual peace. :)
... Although I do wish that such options were announced so that the congregants would know that the priest is exercising a legitimate option and not making a mistake.

This story is a long lead-in to another post. How do we avoid going rad Trad when the temptations to do so can sometimes be overwhelming? How do we prevent righteous anger at genuine problems in the Church from eating away at our souls like dropped acid and turning us into bitter, disaffected souls isolated from the mainstream of Catholic life?
I recently completed home-schooling my daughter in religious ed, leading up to her confirmation. As a "field trip" we went to the local indult mass (ad orientem and all that).
I remember the Latin mass fondly as an altar boy, and thought I would naturally slip right back into the attitudes of prayer I remember as a child.
Fully 75% of the women were veiled (my daughter, being a "modern girl" was not among them). The priest did not wear a mic, and since he was talking to the altar, I couldn't make out what he was saying so I could follow along in the missal. I didn't have to. The choir did that for us. All we had to do was sit and watch... ummm... kneel and watch... umm... stand and watch... kneel and watch... sit and watch... The common thread was "watching", and we really didn't know when to sit stand and kneel (well, sort of but we discovered that our timing was off).
This was the first time that my daughter had ever received on the tongue. We didn't even need to say "Amen", the priest did that for us also. I also noticed that even though we were kneeling reverently, and taking communion on the tongue (like I still do), the priest was doing the "auctioneer's communion" corpuschristiamen corpuschristiamen corpuschristiamen corpuschristiamen corpuschristi amen corpuschristiamen corpuschristiamen...
I also noticed something else... Since the advent of the indult mass at 8:30am at this parish, the community had broken up into two communities. There was the "Latin mass people" and "the 'normal' people". And if "those 'Latin mass people' happened to be at another one of the Novus Ordo masses, they wouldn't even give you the sign of peace!"
I harken back to our parish now, where we have a new pastor who really shook things up. He treats the Blessed Sacrament like he really believes that it is the Body of our Lord and Savior. He got the EMEs out of the sanctuary, and moved the tabernacle there. We have Benediction after Stations of the Cross on Fridays during Lent, and we have a new votive candle rack in the "prayer chapel" (former "eucharistic chapel").
We have a dedicated core of faithful Catholics who are sticking by the pastor through thick and thin, taking on the Devil with rosary, adoration, benediction, prayer and Eucharist.
If all of the orthodox leave the parish to join their own exclaves, there will be nobody left to pray, help and work with the utmost caritas, gently guiding our brothers and sisters and showing them the benefits of respect and reverence at mass.
It will catch on. Trust me on this. I know because at my parish it is. I have never seen more people in the parish than I did last week, and many of them are new and returning from week to week (I see them because I volunteer to cantor at multiple masses because I'm one of a dozen or so music ministers left).
For Holy Thursday, the plan is Gregorian Chant for the eucharistic procession. I can't wait.
Keep the faith.

Ah oh. Another liturgy thread. They're usually good for a hundred comments, aren't they? If you're a Catholic and you have a pulse, chances are you've got a strong opinion about the liturgy.
On to Michelle's questions:
How do we avoid going rad Trad when the temptations to do so can sometimes be overwhelming? How do we prevent righteous anger at genuine problems in the Church from eating away at our souls like dropped acid and turning us into bitter, disaffected souls isolated from the mainstream of Catholic life?
I'll give my answer, but first let me start with my non-Trad and non-HighBrow credentials: I'm way too common to be an aesthete. I've never been to a Latin Mass of any kind. I wouldn't know the difference between Palestrina and pinochle. My preferred cigarette is Marlboro, my preferred drink is whatever happens to be in the fridge, my preferred uniform is jeans and a sweat-shirt, and my preferred TV show is whatever Western happens to be playing on the classic movie channel. And spirituality? The best "spiritual director" I ever had was a Marine drill instructor. Really.
I used to get really agitated about all those sappy liturgical "innovations", but nowadays I'm just weary of fretting over a bad situation that shows few signs of getting better. We have a Mass that was intended to please everybody in 1970, but has ended up pleasing no one in 2006. I'm pretty sure that Pope Benedict knows about the problem and wants to address it. I even believe that a good number of bishops are aware of the problem and want to do something about it. (Yeah, I know, silly me.) In spite of everything, I have enough faith to believe that the Church will one day get its act together re the Mass, but I'm sure that's not going to happen fast enough to please all those good Catholic folks who suffer from innovation overload. This means that everybody has to cope; everybody has to deal with it; everybody has to make their choices.
Me? I'm gonna go with what we've got. I, for one, will stick with Peter and I'll keep on believing the Promise. For those who won't or can't, and who justify their departure with high-sounding arguments that mask valid frustrations and dissapointments--hey, I understand. I know darned well that the Protestant impulse beats big in every human heart, and that every one of us at one time or another has used sweet sophistry to put a halo on our infidelities. But I was Protestant once. I've been off the bark of Peter and it's no place I ever want to be again. If you ain't on deck, you're swimming with the sharks. Capiche?
Life really is too short, so for me the liturgical issues have become very simple, very basic. When I'm at Mass these days, I simply want to pray. That's all. How do I pull that off? I begin with an axiom, move on to a method, and end with a flourish of defiance.
The axiom: This side of heaven, there's no such thing as a liturgy that's celebrated in accord with my every want, need, desire, taste, sensibility, and inclination.
The method: In a lowest-common-denominator world you have to come up with a lowest-common-denominator solution. You have to find a place where you can actually pray when you go to Mass--a place where you're not too distracted by bad architecture and art, where the music doesn't intrude too heavily upon your peace, where the homilies don't veer too far into weirdness, and where the priest sort of does what the red text in that red book on the altar tells him to do. Find a place like that, count your blessings, and call it a day.
The flourish of defiance: Here I stand (right here in the mainstream of Catholic life). I can do no other.

Sorry for the bad formatting, should have been:
Well praying the Rosary during the celebration of Mass does go against the express intent of the Magisterium, as in Redemptionis Sacramentum, where we're enjoined to seek "active and conscious participation" etc.
So sorry to hear that you're frustrated ... my guess is that you're being there is the first step in obedience, praying for grace to fully particpate is the next step, and undoubtedly God will honor your actions.

Well praying the Rosary during the celebration of Mass does go against the express intent of the Magisterium, as in , where we're enjoined to seek "active and conscious participation" etc.
So sorry to hear that you're frustrated ... my guess is that you're being there is the first step in obedience, praying for grace to fully particpate is the next step, and undoubtedly God will honor your actions.

Old Zhou:
I for one have been tempted to sit in the back and pray the Rosary during a NO mass, and wondered whether that would really be so bad.

http://www.zenit.org/english/
Zenit has good liturgical resources, including the subject of not holding hands during the Our Father:
http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=...
"...The process for introducing any new rite or gesture into the liturgy in a stable or even binding manner is already contemplated in liturgical law. This process entails a two-thirds majority vote in the bishops' conference and the go-ahead from the Holy See before any change may take effect.
Thus, if neither the bishops' conference nor the Holy See has seen fit to prescribe any posture for the recitation of the Our Father, it hardly behooves any lesser authority to impose a novel gesture not required by liturgical law and expect the faithful to follow their decrees.
..."

Sorry, I got carried away and forget the other quote I wanted to mention from SC:
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In this restoration, both texts and rites should be drawn up so that they express more clearly the holy things which they signify; the Christian people, so far as possible, should be enabled to understand them with ease and to take part in them fully, actively, and as befits a community.
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We really are not doing well at the "full, active participation" thing.
Instead, what we now have is a new form of the traditional "servers" that do the people's part. But now we call them Lectors, Cantors, Lay Ministers, etc. All those lay folks that you see in the sanctuary, often doing things with the local pastor's approval, rubrics be damned.
And the faithful are back to doing the much dreaded "private devotions" in the pews.
Only now, the "private devotions" are not the rosary, but things like reading the actually readings (instead of dramatic or politically correct adaptations proclaimed from the ambo), or praying the Creed, so often omitted, or kneeling, or a number of other things that the people in the sanctuary feel free to change or omit.
The current implementation of Sacrosanctum Concilium is a mess, and missing the goals of Vatican II.

My own opinion: What the Church needs is a fresh reading of "Sacrosanctum Concilium," the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, from the Second Vatican Council.
Our new Pope Benedict might be leading us in that direction, thanks be to God!
"For the liturgy is made up
of immutable elements divinely instituted,
and of elements subject to change."
It seems that, in large part, the first attempt at implementing Sacrosanctum Concilium included assumptions at all levels of the Church, from laity up to Cardinals, that just about everything was "subject to change."
And over the last 40 years, things have changed officially this way and that way,
and unofficially in every which way,
with a lot of resulting confusion, anger,
and disappointment.
Face it, the Vatican II liturgy is, currently,
in a state of chaos.
In regards to the Missal, the Mass:
a. Vatican is on 3rd edition (2002)
b. English-speaking bishops on 1st edition (1975), with GIRM from 3rd edition.
c. Average parish is on local adaptation from 1st edition, with bishop-specific conformities to 3rd edition GIRM.
d. Readings/Lectionary are 2nd edition (1980's).
e. Music is "whatever works," with no draft Episcopal guidelines ever developed, and Vatican promulgated Chant mostly ignored.
In regards to the Divine Office, Liturgy of the Hours:
a. General Instruction (GILH) specified 2 year cycle of Scripture readings never published
b. GILH specified Lectionary of patristic and ecclesial readings, and local episcopal lectionary of ecclesial readings, never published.
c. English-speaking world on 1st edition (1970's)
d. Vatican on 2dn edition, with some revisions.
In regards to RCIA:
a. English-speaking Rite approved in 1980's.
b. No guidance on what consititutes an RCIA program, who is approved to teach it, what is the catechetical content. Catechists range from well-meaning, but ignorant volunteers to religious and clergy (such as deacons) with wild, heterodox opinions.
c. Rites laregely ignored or adapted on the ground in parishes.
Is it any wonder that people find this situation confusing, if not discouraging?

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