Literary Stomach In A Bowl

by Jimmy Akin on November 14, 2006

in Fiction

PlanetxThis is just wrong.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG!!!

I was horrified a while back when I was in a bookstore and saw on the shelf that there was an actual crossover novel between Star Trek: The Next Generation and the X-Men.

UGH!!!

This is the literary equivalent of KFC’s Infamous Stomach-In-A-Bowls!

I have nothing against Next Gen.

I have nothing against X-Men.

But I don’t want them jumbled together like this!

Yes, I know, in fits of unmitigated geeky uncoolness, fans of various series have produced reams and reams of fanfic doing franchise mashups like this.

That’s why God created the Internet.

How else would young teenagers explore the question of whether Worf or Wolverine would win a fight?

(I’m guessing that’s a prominent scene early in the book . . . and I’m guessing that they manage to fight each other to a draw . . . big surprise.)

But to have one of these things escape from the wild and actually make it into print . . . WHAT WERE THE RIGHTS-HOLDERS THINKING???

Particularly the rights holders for the Star Trek franchise. It strikes me that this stands to cheapen their brand more than Marvel Comics’.

Perhaps it was to indulge Michael Jan Friedman, who apparently writes many of the Star Trek novels and may be an X-Men fan on the side.

I don’t mind commercial tie-in literature based on popular media franchises. The stories in these series are  usually non-canonical (though not in Babylon 5 or Firefly). People enjoy them, and I respect that.

I don’t mind fanfic. I don’t read it, but I don’t mind that it’s out there. In fact, a lot of the stories told in world history have been the equivalent of fanfic–non-professional storytellers doing their own take on popular stories. I don’t know how many folks sitting around the fire have spun their own tales about Gilgamesh or Ahikar or Odysseus or Jason or Aeneas any of the other heroes of literature. All that’s fine and part of the human experience–a testimony to human creativity.

I don’t even mind crossovers, as long as they’re well done. I would not mind, for example, reading a novel in which Dracula met some other 19th century literary character, like Sherlock Holmes or the Invisible Man. (In fact, Alan Moore did a whole comic book series based on that idea, though I haven’t read it.)

But there has to be a "fit" between the two things you’re crossing over–at least if you’re intending to play the story for something other than laughs. Sure, Bambi meets Godzilla can give you a chuckle, but I really wouldn’t want to read a serious detective story in which Sherlock Holmes solves crimes alongside characters from Beatrix Potter’s universe.

And that’s the problem here.

The X-Men inhabit a comic book universe that plays by comic book rules, where only the slightest gesture is made toward real-world science and physics and character development and Star Trek . . . uh . . . well . . . um . . . nevermind.

I just hope they don’t make a movie out of this thing.

How would you tell Captain Picard and Professor X apart?

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well, i like crossover fanfiction if it is done well and the writers don't break the second wall, the characters have to be believable to each's respective canon.
two writers that i can think that hold to this premise are..Albertg and don't know the authour but the title is "crumpet aren't my style"...The authour i mention and the story can be read on FF net.
however, you are right...there is something 'evil' about it being in print for profit...EW
crossover fiction needs to stay in Fanfiction on the net...thank you for your rant...have a good day.

I'm almost afraid to post this--I may trigger a few apoplectic attacks!
I mentioned this to my son the geek, and he actually has this novel. Don't worry about the movie coming out; he says the book is "corny as he[ck]." Apparently it is one of a series--he's only read the one. In that one, he assures me that there are no fights to a draw early on, but that at the end Wolverine and Worf amuse themselves battling holographic X-villains (presumably on the holodeck.)
Take deep cleansing breaths, and count slowly to ten.

Another crossover story worth reading is Silverlock, by John Myers Myers, a Beowulf/Robin Hood/Hucklebury Finn/Alice in Wonderland/Don Quixote/Moby Dick/Gulliver's Travels/Old Testament crossover novel. Really. (Well, sort of).

Actually, Dr. Who could cross-over into anything. As long as it's pre-Time War Dr. Who (ie, through the 8th Doctor).
I'll accept any Dr. Who cross-over with the fourth doctor.

Aw, come on. It can't be any worse than Archie meets the Punisher.

Sorry - that should be "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes..." Dang it - I hate it when I have to correct a joke.

How about a "Justice League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Love Blondes Have More Fun With Dick and Jane?" And for good measure, throw in Jar Jar Binks and Jabba the Hutt doing a dance revue a la Gene Wilder and Peter Boyle in "Young Frankenstein". They could sing "Puttin' on the Sith".....

My first ever "fanfic" story, which I wrote in graduate school for recreation, was a crossover story wherein Han Solo and Chewbacca meet the gang from Deep Space Nine.
So, when Han joined one of Quark's regular after hours tongo games, who won (and where did Han get the latinum to play in the first place)? ;-)

Um. er. uh . . . Dare I confess that I am presently working on a crossover story wherein Superman meets The Shadow? The idea was to bring together two great pop culture heroes of yesteryear. I am deliberately going for a retro feel with this story in which our two heroes team up to beat a Nazi spy ring in 1938.
Actually, I love the crossover motif and the "fish out of water" element" inherent in these stories. It's fun to imagine how characters will react to a new universe in which all the rules are changed. I agree with Jimmy however, that there has to be some sort of plausible connection between the two fictional universes involved. My first ever "fanfic" story, which I wrote in graduate school for recreation, was a crossover story wherein Han Solo and Chewbacca meet the gang from Deep Space Nine.
Having now confessed the appalling depths of his geekiness, he will now sit quietly in the corner, order a pocket protector, and push his glasses up his nose :).

On a change of topic from the above, thanks Jimmy for posting the Bambi Meets Godzilla link. (YouTube down at the moment.)
I first saw it as a short before a feature film. No clue what the feature film was, but Bambi Meets Godzilla is now a favorite.

The only crossovers worth reading: League of Extraodinary Gentlemen (Alan Moore's series mentioned in the post). Of course if you enjoy that then you should (or should I say shouldn't) read Mr Snicket's wonderful (horrible, miserable, unfortunate) series. (I pre-read the first for my little sister and got hooked in the spot the literary figures game).

There was a big 'X-Men/Star Trek' crossover 'event' about a decade back. The two comic miniseries JM mentioned were part of that, as was the novel Jimmy blogged about. Yes, it's been around for a decade. For some reason, someone decided to reprint it.

A few notes that I did not see.
If my memory serves me right, I have seen two X-Men/ST crossovers. Both were in comic book form (Trade Paper backs).
The first one was with the TOS the second one was with the Next Gen.
I will have to see if my one friend still has them or not. It was about 10 years ago that they came out.
-JM

I have a button. It read, "Hello, Agent Mulder. I heard you're looking for aliens. You can call me the Doctor."
My sister read it and predicted that such a meeting would cause the universe to explode.

Wasn't that "The Books Of Magic" by Neil Gaiman?
LOL! That line was pure genius; good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read it!

Wait a second, if the crew of the Enterprise can do a Nazi crossover, then they can do a Nazi crossover where the people are mutants and are not all Nazis
StubbleSpark:
They already did that, I believe, in the forgettable series "ENTERPRISE"!
Actually, some of the Nazis were aliens, not mutants though... never mind.

I'm sure Darth Kitty, Pastel Lord of the Sith, could be worked into some crossover, somewhere...

Wait a second, if the crew of the Enterprise can do a Nazi crossover, then they can do a Nazi crossover where the people are mutants and are not all Nazis. (My logic is flawless).
Anyway, here's my bid for the ultimate crossover:
Batman vs Aliens vs Predator vs Godzilla vs MST 3K vs Robocop vs Buffy vs Firefly vs Chesterton vs Hillary Clinton vs the Borg vs Martin Luther vs Manimal vs Blade vs the Harlem Globetrotters!
Kewlest of kewl!!!

I knew it was that Tribble-related episode, where they actually visited original Enterprise. I just couldn't remember Worf's exact remark: "We do not discuss it with outsiders."

They explained the change in Klingons in a two-part episode of Enterprise. Jimmy blogged on it here and I blogged on Jimmy's post here.

If The Next Generation is not part of the cannon then the original set of Star Trek movies should not be either, since they have the funky looking Klingons and all.
Actually, J.R., you brought up a good point!
In the original Star Trek movies, Klingons appeared very human compared to their modern counterparts, which could only be explained by that episode where Worf (having visited the original Starship in the "Trouble with..."), could only say: "We don't talk about it" or something to that effect.

Highlander/MASH/Buffy was actually a really good crossover, too....

If The Next Generation is not part of the cannon then the original set of Star Trek movies should not be either, since they have the funky looking Klingons and all.

However, Next Gen/X-Men seems ill-conceived. Fortunately for me, I refuse to accept that Next Gen is even part of the Star Trek canon, which spares me any mental anguish on this point.
Maureen:
Star Trek: The Next Generation is part of the Gnostic Gospels, I tell you!!! ;^)
(...only kiddin' folks!)
(...or Am I???)

I am shocked, shocked by the intolerance toward crossovers in general. I am proud that I wrote the world's only X-Files/Lensmen crossover. Mulder and Scully were much happier as Galactic Patrolmen than FBI agents, I assure you.
However, Next Gen/X-Men seems ill-conceived. Fortunately for me, I refuse to accept that Next Gen is even part of the Star Trek canon, which spares me any mental anguish on this point.
Star Trek/Doctor Who crossovers long predate the existence of the Ninth and Tenth Doctors, and hence the Time Wars were not any problem whatsoever in them. I possess a copy of "The Doctor and the Enterprise", in which the 4th Doctor visits with Captain Kirk and accompanies the Enterprise to Darkover... er, Lightunder. (Marion Zimmer Bradley was a lot more likely to make a stink about fanfic than Paramount or the BBC was, back in the day.)
However, the longest-running Doctor Who crossover is that perpetrated by Mr. Gadzikowski, whose fanfic and webcomics have crossed the Doctor over with Star Trek, MASH, Buffy and Angel, Superman, the current BSG, and more shows than you can shake a stick at. He also has a webcomic with at least five different Arthurian universes running at once. (An offshoot of one is his fanfic series with the Buffy-like St. Pudentiana running around in ancient Rome battling evil elves.)
It all makes sense if you do it right!

"How would you tell Captain Picard and Professor X apart?"
And I'm sure the tome will reveal that they are related in a *clever* in-joke twist. Which brings me to a pet peeve of mine:
In-jokes, while they may be funny & cool if used correctly, should never, ever be plot points.

To make people's brains explode:
Star Trek/Star Wars/X-Men/Buffy/LOTR Multiversal Crossover!
Nobody's mentioned Hello, Cthulu! yet.

Let's not forget the Star Trek/Babylon 5 crossover fan film:
In The Pirkinning

sdg: Ohhhhh. Himmmmmm. Okay, got it. Someone in that space ship movie series that Jimmy tried to get me to watch for years.

Johnny Depp was superb in WW, and Gene Wilder was Gene Wilder. btw, i like GW, mostly.
COOL ED!!! ;^)
Actually, I did rather enjoy Depp's performance in Pirates (haven't seen the sequel yet), which is why I made the remark the way I did in my previous post.
I just didn't enjoy his performance though in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (actually, when I first heard the title, I thought it might be the actual sequel to it vs. a remake). I guess it might perhaps be due to Gene Wilder's performance being so spectacular in the original.

*cough* Actually, the book wasn't that bad; it was written as a followup to a comic book crossover set in the X-Man universe.
Perhaps I simply don't take Trek seriously enough? (If so, I blame it on DS9 and their heavy flavoring of it with a bad ep of Dark Shadows in the last season or two.)

Quick question: who's Worf?

Are you kidding? Worf is the only Klingon in Starfleet, and one of the top three Next Gen characters (the other two being Picard and Data). He also carried over into several seasons of Deep Space Nine, making him in a way the most "successful" character in Trek history.

Wesley Crusher on Little House on the Prarie.

...Only if he immediately gets run over by a covered wagon and trampled to death by the horses.

Wesley Crusher on Little House on the Prarie.

Trek/B5 will never happen so long as there is a God above!
I think that's the worst idea since Greedo shooting first (H.T. to K.S. for that).
Although I think a sci-fi/fantasy crossover has even more horror potential. Imagine LotR/Trek.. and tremble.

Harry Potter and the Justice League. *shudder*
Wasn't that "The Books Of Magic" by Neil Gaiman?

or was that the League of Justice? (still a shudder)

Harry Potter and the Justice League. *shudder*

I stand shamed and corrected, and a little concerned of Tim's knowledge of late 70's pop culture.
:) Hard as I try, I can't convince my kids that Dad's cesspool-of-useless-knowledge -ness is way cool.

Quick question: who's Worf?

Personally I'm waiting for an official Star Trek/Babylon 5 crossover in which Vorlon ships take on Borg cubes.
Oh, wait, that happened in Voyager's fourth season premiere. Never mind.

Johnny Depp was superb in WW, and Gene Wilder was Gene Wilder. btw, i like GW, mostly.

My mum pointed this link out to me, and I just had to see.
I'm eighteen and a veteran fangirl, and I have to say . . . *hangs head* I've written crossover fanfiction. Constantly. HOWEVER- and I say this as a way to avoid the flaming torches and pitchforks even now headed my way- I try to avoid writing incompatible universes into each other. I'm actually working on a story where the Invisible Man meets the Phantom of the Opera, and they have fantastic character interaction potential.
But Star Trek and Doctor Who? *gnashgnashgnash* NOT. HAPPENING. Star Trek obviously happens on a parallel timeline; if the Federation existed, WITH their capability for time travel (as in that movie with the whales- what was it, "Voyage Home"?) they would have done something about the Time War, for heaven's sake! And besides, I think the Doctor would have gotten a snicker out of taking his companions to see a future where everybody still dressed awfully '60s, him being the snarky bastard that he is.
And IF Star Trek exists on a parallel timeline, then the TARDIS clearly cannot go to it. We've seen parallel timelines in the show's history before- heck, the current companion (Rose Tyler) gets accidentally LEFT in one, and the Doctor has to burn up a sun just to get the power to transmit a goodbye message!
. . . sorry. Don't like Star Trek very much. I would, however, like to see Captain Kirk face off with a Dalek.
The X-Men and Star Trek is, if possible, an even worse idea than that. And yes, Wolverine would beat Worf. One word: adamantium.

Mork and Mindy was a spin-off.
I stand shamed and corrected, and a little concerned of Tim's knowledge of late 70's pop culture.
I stand firmly by my Brideshead Gallactica idea however. Audiences want to see Lord Sebastian Flyte open up a can of Silon whoopin.

I couldn't disagree with Jimmy more. This is the most creative idea since Mork made a guest appearance on Happy Days
Oh, but it wasn't a guest appearance. That was the first appearance of the Mork character anywhere, anytime, in all of God's creation.
Mork and Mindy was a spin-off. Of Happy Days. And people say Happys Days jumped the shark when Fonzie, uh, jumped the shark. No, it started with Mork.

How would you tell Captain Picard and Professor X apart?
Hello?! The answer is obvious! When picard sits down in the wheelchair, he tugs on the bottom of his uniform.

Ummm....did you imply that there ARE Firefly novels which ARE canonical???
Please....tell me more.

I was poking fun at Ed Peters who is a huge Johnny Depp fan.
Hey, don't get me wrong -- I was one of his original going back to 21 Jumpstreet!

Esau,
I was poking fun at Ed Peters who is a huge Johnny Depp fan.
Beware his wrath...
Take care and God bless,
Inocencio
J+M+J

If you ask me, and no did, crossing Johnny Depp and Willie Wonka was the worst...ever!
You said it, Innocencio!
I still prefer Gene Wilder -- th Original often remains the best in most cases!
I guess since Depp did such an outstanding job as a Gay Pirate, the studios thought they would let him at it with Willie Wonka!
Actually, he turned out rather demented in that role than anything else (granted, it was a Tim Burton film)! The factory seemed more like a nuthouse the way he played out that role.

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