Sisters Preaching The Homily

by Jimmy Akin on February 2, 2007

in Liturgy

A reader writes:

I found you in the search engine looking for information on preaching by the laity.

Our Congregation of Sisters is having a general assembly. A few Sisters are upset by the fact that we have asked Sisters to give the homily each day after the Gospel. Each of the members of the Steering committee and liturgy committee received a scathing letter today,  flaunting Canon law codes that specifically forbid this practice.

Do you know of any loophole "allowing" Sisters to preach at liturgies during their "closed" liturgies which take place in their own motherhouse or conference centers?

Thanks so much for any help you can give us.

I assume that the passage from the Code of Canon Law which appeared in the letter that your steering and liturgy committees received was this one:

Can. 767 §1. Among the forms of preaching, the homily, which is part of the liturgy itself and is reserved to a priest or deacon, is preeminent; in the homily the mysteries of faith and the norms of Christian life are to be explained from the sacred text during the course of the liturgical year. [SOURCE]

In citing this, the authors of the letter are correct. The homily is reserved to the priest or deacon, and lay people–including sisters–are not permitted to preach it. This is a norm that, prior to the 1983 Code of Canon Law, had certain exceptions, but these were eliminated with the release of the 1983 Code.

Not even a bishop has the ability to dispense from this norm, as was established by the Pontifical Commission for the Interpretation of Legislative texts when it issued the following authentic interpretation:

The doubt: Whether the diocesan bishop is able to dispense from the prescription of
c. 767.1, by which the homily is reserved to priests and deacons.

The response: Negative. [SOURCE]

The 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (American edition) also stresses the reservation of the homily to the priest or deacon:

66. The Homily should ordinarily be given by the priest celebrant himself. He may entrust it to a concelebrating priest or occasionally, according to circumstances, to the deacon, but never to a lay person. In particular cases and for a just cause, the homily may even be given by a Bishop or a priest who is present at the celebration but cannot concelebrate. [SOURCE]

And the Holy See has expressed the same thing in Ecclesiae de Mysterio and Redemptionis Sacramentum. The former states:

The homily . . . also forms part of the liturgy.

The homily, therefore, during the celebration of the Holy Eucharist, must be reserved to the sacred minister, Priest or Deacon to the exclusion of the non-ordained faithful, even if these should have responsibilities as "pastoral assistants" or catechists in whatever type of community or group. This exclusion is not based on the preaching ability of sacred ministers nor their theological preparation, but on that function which is reserved to them in virtue of having received the Sacrament of Holy Orders. For the same reason the diocesan Bishop cannot validly dispense from the canonical norm since this is not merely a disciplinary law but one which touches upon the closely connected functions of teaching and sanctifying.

For the same reason, the practice, on some occasions, of entrusting the preaching of the homily to seminarians or theology students who are not clerics is not permitted. Indeed, the homily should not be regarded as a training for some future ministry.

All previous norms which may have admitted the non-ordained faithful to preaching the homily during the Holy Eucharist are to be considered abrogated by canon 767, 1. [section 3:1; SOURCE]

And the latter states:

[64.] The homily, which is given in the course of the celebration of Holy Mass and is a part of the Liturgy itself, “should ordinarily be given by the Priest celebrant himself. He may entrust it to a concelebrating Priest or occasionally, according to circumstances, to a Deacon, but never to a layperson. In particular cases and for a just cause, the homily may even be given by a Bishop or a Priest who is present at the celebration but cannot concelebrate”.

[65.] It should be borne in mind that any previous norm that may have admitted non-ordained faithful to give the homily during the eucharistic celebration is to be considered abrogated by the norm of canon 767 §1. This practice is reprobated, so that it cannot be permitted to attain the force of custom.

[66.] The prohibition of the admission of laypersons to preach within the Mass applies also to seminarians, students of theological disciplines, and those who have assumed the function of those known as “pastoral assistants”; nor is there to be any exception for any other kind of layperson, or group, or community, or association. [SOURCE]

In light of these, I cannot offer you a loophole allowing sisters to preach the homily at liturgies that are not open to the public, for no such loophole exists. The Holy See is really serious about this. Not even the local bishop can dispense from this norm, and one certainly cannot depart from it on one’s own personal initiative. The Code of Canon Law also provides:

Can.  846 §1. In celebrating the sacraments the liturgical books approved by competent authority are to be observed faithfully; accordingly, no one is to add, omit, or alter anything in them on one’s own authority. [SOURCE]

Although the laity cannot preach the homily, there are instances in which they can preach. The Code of Canon Law provides:

Can. 765 Preaching to religious in their churches or oratories requires the permission of the superior competent according to the norm of the constitutions.

Can. 766 Lay persons can be permitted to preach in a church or oratory, if necessity requires it in certain circumstances or it seems advantageous in particular cases, according to the prescripts of the conference of bishops and without prejudice to can. 767, §1. [SOURCE]

The American conference of bishops has established the following complementary norm regarding lay preaching:

Preaching the Word of God is among the principal duties of those who have received the sacrament of orders (cc. 762-764). The lay faithful can be called to cooperate in the exercise of the Ministry of the Word (c. 759). In accord with canon 766 the National Conference of Catholic Bishops hereby decrees that the lay faithful may be permitted to exercise this ministry in churches and oratories, with due regard for the following provisions:

If necessity requires it in certain circumstances or it seems useful in particular cases, the diocesan bishop can admit lay faithful to preach, to offer spiritual conferences or give instructions in churches, oratories or other sacred places within his diocese, when he judges it to be to the spiritual advantage of the faithful.

In order to assist the diocesan bishop in making an appropriate pastoral decision (Interdicasterial Instruction, Ecclesiae de Mysterio, Article 2 §3), the following circumstances and cases are illustrative: the absence or shortage of clergy, particular language requirements, or the demonstrated expertise or experience of the lay faithful concerned.

The lay faithful who are to be admitted to preach in a church or oratory must be orthodox in faith, and well-qualified, both by the witness of their lives as Christians and by a preparation for preaching appropriate to the circumstances.

The diocesan bishop will determine the appropriate situations in accord with canon 772§1. In providing for preaching by the lay faithful the diocesan bishop may never dispense from the norm which reserves the homily to the sacred ministers (c. 767§1; cfr. Pontifical Commission for the Authentic Interpretation of the Code of Canon Law, 26 May 1987, in AAS 79 [1987], 1249). Preaching by the lay faithful may not take place within the Celebration of the Eucharist at the moment reserved for the homily. [SOURCE]

Ecclesiae de Mysterio also provides:

2. A form of instruction designed to promote a greater understanding of the liturgy, including personal testimonies, or the celebration of eucharistic liturgies on special occasions (e.g. day of the Seminary, day of the sick etc.) is lawful, if in harmony with liturgical norms, should such be considered objectively opportune as a means of explicating the regular homily preached by the celebrant priest. Nonetheless, these testimonies or explanations may not be such so as to assume a character which could be confused with the homily.

3. As an expositional aide and providing it does not delegate the duty of preaching to others, the celebrant minister may make prudent use of "dialogue" in the homily, in accord with the liturgical norms.

4. Homilies in non-eucharistic liturgies may be preached by the non-ordained faithful only when expressly permitted by law and when its prescriptions for doing so are observed. [section 3; SOURCE]

While the law does not permit your sisters to preach the homily at Mass, or to preach something else at the time reserved for the homily during Mass, the law does allow for the possibility of their preaching in other contexts and–provided the requirements of the passages quoted above in this post are met–it would permit them to preach in some form at your upcoming general assembly.

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The important thing is that there is a Pope.
Who it is? Does not matter.
Divine Providence will choose.
But praying for a saint and for our current one to be a saint is not a bad idea either.

John,
I'm still in 'rejoicing mode', over the election of our current Pope, Benedict XVI.
So too, rather than look too far back to the 'pre-modern' past, I want to give the Lord grateful thanks for this present 'gift' of papal leadership.
I totally recognize the sanctity of the Church throughout the ages, and am a great devotee of many Saints, such as St. Francis of Assisi, St. Dominic, St. John Bosco, St. Philip Neri, etc.. These all lived in former times, and preached the faith in their own generation.. and for our benefit also.
In our present age we continue to have the same Holy Faith, but the Church has felt it wise to adapt the communication of it somewhat to modern times and expressions. As we need to accept the Church Papal leadership in every generation, I fully accept, and give thanks for, our present pope and Church leadership.
However, yes, I pray with you that the Lord gives us similar great popes, like Benedict XVI and St. Pius X, in the years to come!
But you know the old saying..."Beggers can't be choosers"
...so it is the Lord who will choose His servants, for His church and in His time.

A Williams said:
"I'd rather let the Vatican Councils and Church documents do the 'liturgical painting'...and that's how the Church sees it too!"
Ahhh if only the Bishops would adhere to the church councils and not think that they can invent and do whatever they desire. Paul VI created this monster with the introduction of the new mass and the synod of Bishops which has emasculated the papacy and Rome
Pray for a return of the likes of Pope St Pius X to restore all things in Christ, including his and his Fathers worship

Nick,
You also forgot to include the reference number provided in the "interdicasterial Instruction ..etc." document, in your quote above. It is no.[73], and refers to
(73) Cf. Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship, Directory for Masses with children Pueros Baptizatos (November 1, 1973), n. 48: AAS 66 (1974), p. 44.
And no 48 says:
48. The homily explaining the word of God should be given great prominence in all Masses with children. Sometimes the homily intended for children should become a dialogue with them, unless it is preferred that they should listen in silence.
So you can see here, and with the noted references provided with the teaching, that a 'dialogue' should be a real dialogue, and not something wherein the congregation (or Children) .."it is preferred that they should listen in silence".
I will presume that many will try to find a loophole with these teachings, and using your very same references. However, this is really for those who love to 'stretch' things and contort easily understood meanings and definitions. And who really doesn't understand the use of 'dialogue', especially as used and cited in the context of the Childrens' Mass above? Maybe those who have other 'agendas' on their minds??

Nick,
If they are trying to creat a loophole, we need to closely examine exactly what is the definition of 'dialogue'.
di·a·logue or di·a·log (d-lôg, -lg)
n.
1. A conversation between two or more people.
2.
a. Conversation between characters in a drama or narrative.
b. The lines or passages in a script that are intended to be spoken.
You will note that it is a conversation BETWEEN two of more people. It is not a 'homily' or 'introduction' by one speaker and then a 'testamony' or teaching, by another.
I have read that a priest must always be in control of the 'dialogue' when it does, on occasion, occur at a Mass. From what I understood, the priest should be asking questions of others, and recieving short, concise answers or comments, NOT speeches or testamonies by the laity, wherein the priest loses control of the 'conversation'. A conversation is a very different thing from a speech.

les,
At least with "painting by numbers" you eventually end up with a HOLY image of Our Lord Jesus Christ!
With the 'paint as you feel'parties, you're more likely to end up with something more like an image of Homer Simpson, Ned Flanders or Mr. Smithers..depending on how everyone 'feels' on that particular day.
I'd rather let the Vatican Councils and Church documents do the 'liturgical painting'...and that's how the Church sees it too!

"In the Saginaw (Michigan) diocese, for years nuns routinely gave the homily during Mass. It is said that this was done by design by the late Bishop Ken Untener---he put the nuns in a position to give the homily to get people talking about "how wonderful" it would be if women were allowed to be priests (Untener advocated for ordination of women.) When the new bishop Robert Carlson put an end to this practice, he was generally attacked by many people in the diocese."
Ever since Bishop Carlson was appointed Bishop of the Saginaw diocese, there has been an explosion of vocations, too, so the Holy Spirit has been blessing the diocese. When he started, there were only 3 seminarians from the diocese. The last Ive heard, the number is at 19. About a year ago I was talking with a priest who relayed to me a conversation he had with Bp Carlson. The Bishop was saying that (at that time) he only had 12 seminarians. My priest friend said to him, "that's ok - I know someone else who started with only 12, too!"
Great things will happen in Saginaw, and I hope and pray it flows south into the Detroit Archdiocese!

I also live in the Rochester Diocese and our 'sister' gives a 'talk' after the priest gives her a brief intro. The response posted above, Bishop Clark alleges that "such a practice conforms to the interdicasterial Instruction on Certain Questions regarding the Collaboration of the Non-ordained Faithful in the Sacred Ministry of Priests, issued by the Holy See in 1997 (art. 3, § 3)."
Here's what that line says, § 3. As an expositional aide and providing it does not delegate the duty of preaching to others, the celebrant minister may make prudent use of "dialogue" in the homily, in accord with the liturgical norms.
Is that his loophole?

I've got a radical idea. OK, I stole it from the Evangelical Protestants of yesteryear.
Let's have another meeting on Sunday, say in the early evening. Let's have it in the Church Hall or a school gym, or somewhere like that. Testimonies, guitars, special speakers, lay people speaking, films, missionaries, evangelists, etc., etc. It would be lots of fun with lots of music and teaching and coffee and donuts and whatever.
And its a win-win. We can be greatly enriched with all that the laity and the sisters have to offer, and we can also have the "paint by number" mass, as Fr. Mitch Pacwa calls it, wherein we stay within the lines.
I can hear the objections. "We have trouble enough getting people out once a week never mind twice."
I know. But the idea would be to pump them up so they could hardly wait for the next Sunday. Hey, it worked for the Evangelicals, but then again, they also had another meeting mid-week too, usually a prayer meeting (in the original sense of that term).

Sorry, typo: "...benefits, miracles and glories of THE Eucharist", is how it should have been written.
"Miracles and glories of Eucharist" sounds like a 'progressive' liturgical banner slogan!

John Redcorn,
You have certainly found the treasure everyone should be looking for! Also, preaching and teaching others the benefits, miracles and glories of Eucharist(even as St.Peter Julian Emyard did), and doing this also by your own example, has incalcuable benefits for all. We can never get enough of the Eucharist! Thanks for the inspiration!

In the Saginaw (Michigan) diocese, for years nuns routinely gave the homily during Mass. It is said that this was done by design by the late Bishop Ken Untener---he put the nuns in a position to give the homily to get people talking about "how wonderful" it would be if women were allowed to be priests (Untener advocated for ordination of women.) When the new bishop Robert Carlson put an end to this practice, he was generally attacked by many people in the diocese.

Mark,
I recieve Holy Communion twice not only because it is permitted ( the cannonist who proposed the law said it has the intention which I will explain now) , but recomended by many saints.
St. Peter Julian Eymard said "the seculars have more necessity of communion then those who live in retreat, because they are continually in the battlefield, so they must fortify themselves...So that is why I would tell men of enterprise, to the magistrates, to the youth so exposed to the turbulence of this world: Recieve Holy Communion every day, and if it were possible, ten times a day!"
That is just a part of a quote.
It has been recomended to me by a very holy priest. And I am in a situation were if not for that and prayer, I would fall to many temptations, due to the occasions of sin that I cannot avoid completely in my current state of life.
It is not because the first is not enough. One Mass has an infinite value. But we are not infinitely open to the graces Our Lord looks to give us. So the more times we can recieve Him the better. Trust me, it really helps the spiritual life. Only recoil is when the priests, music and temple don't help. A double dose of that I would only take to do apostolate and ofcourse, to recieve Our Lord. But I can only do that on weekends. School won't let me on weekdays.
I hope that answers your question.
God Bless You

Father wrote:
"It is fastenating how Vatican II had such an emphasis on a kind of re-appreciation of the homily (which by the way is obligatory on Sundays and Solemnities), yet it is so frequently de-emphasized in contemporary parish life.
However, the catch-22, is that if the speaker makes the remarks when he/she is liturgically permitted, (after the final prayer and before the blessing) much of the congregation has already bolted out of the church by then! Or, if a second collection is to be taken up immediately after the first collection, logically the guest speaker would raise more awareness (and $) if they speak before it is taken up.
I would be curious to get the take of other blog readers on how to manage these different situations."
Father-my recommendation would be to just admit the new mass was a huge mistake and go back to revering God (instead of man), the sacraments (What is the latest recommendation of the month from the ICEL?) along with some contemplation (instead of entertainment)and bring back the Traditional Latin Mass, even in the vernacular instead of what is being sold off as true organic liturgy. The modernist experiment has failed. Lets get back to the salvation of souls, give our children the catechism and unwavering teachings to fend off the temptation of the devil in this secular world of evil and go back to true sermons and let the nuns do what they did very well for centuries. In my parish, you cant even tell who is a nun anymore as they all look like and dress like Aunt Sally. Father Corapi said one night that when he was leaving the seminary, a few orders approached him with joining with the carrot "you can dress in laymens cloths". He rebuked them and said that he is proud to wear clerical garb and the white collar.
So sad
Just my humble opinion

Tim J,
Ha ha! Yep from Anchorage. Its the lingo, huh?

"Common sense and relating goodness to his parish trumps Canon law any day."
Translation: I'm above the law when I disagree with it.

"Common sense and relating goodness to his parish trumps Canon law any day."
Realist, do you know the Scripture that says "Obedience is better than sacrifice"?
Relating goodness is a great thing, but why is it *necessary* that the good Sister give the homily and disobey her holy mother the Church?

John Redcorn said "... I try to recieve Communion twice ..."
Dear John,
May I ask why you try to receive twice in one day? While we are permitted to receive twice in one day for a just reason (provided it is within Mass) it is commonly understood to be an abuse to receive twice merely for the sake of receiving twice.
To put it a different way, a single communion is sufficient for one's daily bread. There is nothing lacking in a single communion which makes a second communion "better" or spiritually advisable.

>>From the 2002 General Introduction to the Roman Missal (GIRM) which can be accessed from http://www.romanrite.com/girm.html

Lower 48? You from Alaska, Radical Catholic Mom?
I grew up there.

I love my priests at my parish, but I must say, Father yesterday let a visiting nun give the homily. Grrr. My question, Jimmie, should I ask my priest about it or should I let it go? It is not a frequent occurrence and usually happens when we have some nun visiting from the Lower 48. My priest is old, is in poor health and STILL serving his community. Maybe he enjoys a day off, but in that case, he shouldn't offer Mass.
Also re: guitars at the Ambo, I know when I have had to do it the acoustics in my Church are SO bad, the cantor cannot hear the music from the back of the Church. We have a choir loft where the music is played. The delay is so bad, it sounds like the cantor is completely off. I started bringing my husband up there with me so that I could at least chant on tune and hear it in time. I thought I was the only one who does this, interesting to hear others are doing it, too. I wonder if for the same reasons.

...Speaking of Ambos...Does anyone know if placing the Ambo directly infront of the celebrant priests chair, in the center of the sanctuary, is a licit placement or positioning? In the churches I regularly attend this is where the ambo is located
and it is very annoying. I also consider this placement highly offensive to the dignity of the Priest. Not only is his view of the congregation 'highly' limited, He also needs to look 'square' at the rear ends to the readers/guitarists in front of him. I have also seen the priest contort his body to view around the ambo during the Mass.
Someone might be also able to help me with a further question. Is it permitted to strum the guitar at the Ambo for the Psalms? Or is it EVER permitted to play the guitar at the Ambo? I know this is a very widespread custom, and has been a practice at practically every parish that I have belonged to.
I also hope the answer is NO to all of these questions as I find them not only annoying(and overly promoting the use of guitars in the Liturgy), but also, often acting against the authority and dignity of the celebrating priests.

"Reflection upon the scripture readings" My parish has two well qualified, (though not Ph. D!) religious sisters who, at services of Word and Holy Communion in the absence of priest/deacon sometimes give a short exposition on the scripture of the day. Not a testimony.
To explain the scripture readings, or some part of them, for the benefit of the congregation is not a homily, which can waltz off on any theme of the homilist without reference to the scripture readings. Our small midweek congregation likes the sisters' words. They are both long experienced in adult education, and, very much to the point, love scripture. This practice is known to the parish priest and allowed by him; he is grateful. It would never happen in the PP's presence.

No prob. It's a bit confusing at first.

My apologies to bill912 and Slowboy. Thanks for the correction, Jared.

John Lilburne: The author's name is posted after the post under the dotted line. Case in point bill912 wrote "I wrote no such thing." The post you quoted was written by Slowboy.
--Jared

Bill912 wrote "Our parish priest is very careful of protecting the homily. He does not allow any layity on the ambo until just before the final blessing ...".
It is commendable that this priest is protecting the homily. But he is failing to protect the dignity of the ambo. From the 2002 General Introduction to the Roman Missal (GIRM) which can be accessed from http://www.romanrite.com/girm.html :
"309. ... From the ambo only the readings, the responsorial Psalm, and the Easter Proclamation (Exsultet) are to be proclaimed; it may be used also for giving the homily and for announcing the intentions of the Prayer of the Faithful. ...".
Any announcement or commentary in Mass by a lay person is not to be made at the ambo, the place where the readings are proclaimed.

"Since the primary purpose of mass is worship and not personal intellectual edification, this dichotomy is irrelevant."
Then why not skip the homily altogether? No, it is part of the liturgy, albeit too frequently very poorly done.

Darin,
"Not infrequently, abuses are rooted in a false understanding of liberty. Yet God has not granted us in Christ an illusory liberty by which we may do what we wish, but a liberty by which we may do that which is fitting and right.[18] This is true not only of precepts coming directly from God, but also of laws promulgated by the Church, with appropriate regard for the nature of each norm. For this reason, all should conform to the ordinances set forth by legitimate ecclesiastical authority." - Redemp.Sacr.[7]

Yeah but a 30 second homily might lead and will lead peopl to conclude the following talk is the homily and ergo anyone can say a homily.
As for me, I, due to the fact that homilies are terrible these days and that I try to recieve Communion twice, I really don't want to hear a homily, especially twice, because they are horrible. Only need to give homilies on Sundays according to the rubrics. When the priest is good, ok I listen. I might learn something.
But to hear more trash from the typical "church general". Nope. I respect the Holy Orders. But there isn't much lay people that can teach a person like myself (not bragging trust me.) about any religious subjects. But some of us could certainly pick out the heresies, and not just from the laity!

OK, I'll admit that I didn't read all the comments on here, I didn't even have the frame of mind right now to read Jimmy's entire post, however I can tell you this.
When I was in college, the Neumann center I attended had a sister assigned there. Our priest would routinely let her 'deliver the reflection' after he gave a 30 second or so homily. I was in the Peoria Diocese and this even happened one Sunday when the bishop was visiting - not sure why he was there, but he was there non-the less. At any rate, he had no issue with it, and for the record that bishop was John Myers, now the Archbishop of Newark. I have to think he knew a bit about cannon law; he does have a JCD anyway.
On another note, my father is going to be ordained into the permanent deaconate in May. Next weekend, he is delivering a 'reflection' as well at mass, so it isn't an isolated thing. The homily does need to happen and it does need to be by the priest or deacon. However, cannon law doesn't say how long it has to be and it doesn't preclude anyone else from speaking - how often have we seen missionaries or something speak after the homily at mass or someone from the stewardship committee?

I'd rather listen to most of my family members' dinner conversation than most homilies I've heard from priests, but that doesn't mean we should substitute dinner conversation for homilies. To everything a place and a time. There's a place for the nun with the PHD in scripture, but it has been determined not to be the homily. That most homilies we hear today fall short of the purpose of the homily is a problem to be solved by better formation of priests.

It is my experience that the majority of catholics (this applies doubly to myself) benefit far more from a basic "tired" sermon than from some esoteric flight by a PhD however orthodox the homilist may be.
I can almost recite my pastors sermons by heart but find that my heart is condemned each time he asks basic soulsearching questions. One of his points is how often he has people come to him for spiritual guidence and he finds they: 1. Don't have a regular prayer life. 2. Don't go to confession regularly. He will say from the ambo:DONT come to me until you've started the basics. Then we can discuss your need for a 40 day eucharistic fast.

"Regardless of even that wording, priestly celibacy is NOT dogma; it is a discipline of the Latin Rite Church."
I know that. I meant that I mistakenly thought it asked if an exclusively male priesthood is dogma, which it is.

"At times is customary to say in civil law that "the law is an ass." In some cases canon law may be as well. Would I rather listen to a nun with a Ph. D. in scripture or some tired priest who slept through his seminary years?'
Since the primary purpose of mass is worship and not personal intellectual edification, this dichotomy is irrelevant.

"Would I rather listen to a nun with a Ph. D. in scripture or some tired priest who slept through his seminary years?"
I think it as likely as not that the sleepy priest might do a better job, given the state of some seminaries. The Ph.D is more likely to have had her head filled with modernist nonsense, given the state of Catholic universities.

Would that such reflexions, or abusive testamonies, after readings were "like" a homily, because this might actually make them somewhat intelligent. But telling the congregation how you 'feel' at a particular Mass, usually will offer nothing to the Biblical inspiration given by the readings.
Rather, it distracts from those very same readings. And furthermore, to claim that your good feelngs are all the result of "The Way", or another group that you belong to...even if you are just saying," I feel happy that the Catholic Church has so effected my life"...still does't have a place before, during or after the homily. Though very true indeed, all of this is ALREADY part of the Mass...so there is no redundancy needed!
Furthermore, the Church says, as quoted above..."FOR SERIOUS REASONS it is permissible that this type of instruction or testimony be given AFTER the Priest has proclaimed the Prayer after Communion. THIS SHOULD NOT BECOME REGULAR PRACTICE, however. (With my emphasis in caps)
The problem with making these testamonies REGULAR, is that it is then that they have the ability to be ABUSED as a sort of psychological 'conditioning' tool, for any reason what-so-ever, during the Mass.
Just for everyones curiosity. Note on the internet.. when any of the members of the Neocatechumenal Way try to defend their practices....they always use the SAME strategy and phraseology. They always tell how happy and grateful they are for "the Way" or 'El Camino", and for how much of a positive experience it has been in their lives. This is highly extraordinary, and isn't found in most other 'normal' catholic comments and posts.
And to make one further comment on the subject. I talked with a NCW priest 2 weeks ago right after his Mass which was celebrated using no less than 14 lay commentaries, and I asked him if he was familiar with the "Instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum".
Know what he told me? Yes!....how much good the NCW did in his life! Then I reminded him that Canon laws and church norms were above all, and that the NCW would be truly a potent force, if and when they obey those laws and norms with love, understanding and faithfulness to the magisterium of the Chruch!
Really, I would have liked to talk with him a bit more, but unfortunately we were already late for lunch. So I left it to Divine Providence and for another day.
Praise be to Our God for giving us Canon laws, in black and white...so as to clearly enunciate the holy will of Christ in His Church!

A reflection on the readings isn't a homily

"In reading what Mr. Akin provided, I got the distinct impression that a non-ordained person could potentially give his comments immediately after the homily, provided that it was clear that he was not giving a second homily. In other words, the non-ordained must not be doing the kind of explication (of scripture or liturgical texts) that is typically heard in homilies. Can someone quote from a Holy See text that forbids the non-ordained to speak after the homily? If not, then Fr. Batoloma ought not to be troubled."
John, here is what "Redemptionis Sacramentum" says about lay commentaries:
[74.] If the need arises for the gathered faithful to be given instruction or testimony by a layperson in a Church concerning the Christian life, it is altogether preferable that this be done outside Mass. Nevertheless, for serious reasons it is permissible that this type of instruction or testimony be given after the Priest has proclaimed the Prayer after Communion. This should not become a regular practice, however. Furthermore, these instructions and testimony should not be of such a nature that they could be confused with the homily,[156] nor is it permissible to dispense with the homily on their account.
John, I would stress "serious reasons" above. Also, "this should not become regular practice."
However, depending on how much you want to get around these 'norms', there might be a way to construct a 'lay testimony' such that it mutates into a 'dialogue' with the priest. For instance, If a priest or group wants to completely overlook the intended meaning here, that, as a normal practice lay commentaries take place outside of the Mass, they might be able to 'obscure' the interpretation by asking a priest to 'ask' the congregation for their thoughts on a subject. This is easy to do, if the priests are trained to conduct the homilies at Mass in such ways.
In these circumstances, it is sad to think that certain Church communities and bishops need even more definition, and instruction from Rome, in the liturgical laws and 'norms', than they already have.
In a lust to have things their own way, and trying to get around the common understanding of such norms, they make necessary overly intricate definitions, which then make the Church seem to be 'pharisaic' to those not familiar with such ecclesial legalities...that is, to new-comers, converts, youth etc..
But it is these 'little foxes', loopholes, and legal indefinitions, that can destroy the Liturgy as intended by the Magisterium.
However, I really wouldn't consider lay testamony a 'little fox', rather, I think this can better be symbolized as an 'alpha male' starving wolf!
And this is because the lay testamonies that I am accustomed to hearing, about 3 Sundays per month, usually have very little to do with the homily, and more to do with promoting the group or community present...by restating over and over again, at every Mass, how happy and joyful they are, and how much good the group (In my case the NCW) has done for them. This really is a form of 'conditioning', I think, and helps reinforce the idea that 'everyone' agrees with the group, and publicly states such during the holy sacrifice of the Mass.
Just think of it. What 'better way', do you think, is there to promote your PARTICULAR 'Catholic' society or group...then to have members at every Mass tell how grateful to God they are for the existance and benefits derived from belonging to such a group?
....And you wonder why such groups might also have such a high opinion of themselves??

Or would I want obedience or disobedience in the Mass?

At times is customary to say in civil law that "the law is an ass." In some cases canon law may be as well. Would I rather listen to a nun with a Ph. D. in scripture or some tired priest who slept through his seminary years?

Thanks, bill912, for the clarification.
If that's what David B. meant, my bad.

I think David meant that he thought the answer read: "A male priesthood is a dogma".

I would've gotten 17/20 correct if I hadn't read the "which one of these is a dogma" question too quickly. I said that priestly celibacy is a dogma, because I thought it said MALE priesthood.
David B.:
Regardless of even that wording, priestly celibacy is NOT dogma; it is a discipline of the Latin Rite Church.

I would've gotten 17/20 correct if I hadn't read the "which one of these is a dogma" question too quickly. I said that priestly celibacy is a dogma, because I thought it said MALE priesthood.

Oh, that was just Realist making an ex cathedra pronouncement and canonization. He has those abilities, y'know--the puny god he believes in doesn't, but he does.

My sister-in-law is a Sister of St. Joseph. She is also a hospice nurse. Her patients are terminally ill. This living saint has been ordained in the suffering of the dying. And rightly so she has given homolies with the permission of her pastor who apparently could care less about the 5000 pages of Canon law. Common sense and relating goodness to his parish trumps Canon law any day.
The Lollard heresy lives on!

That was a cool test. I got 16 correct, too. But I stupidly missed the question about sisters, in spite of its having just been answered here.

Do they wear thier habit?
God bless you.

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