"'Nuff said."
Correct. You said exactly nothing.

Apparantly most of the poster have never worked for the very arrogant Fr. Fessio.
'Nuff said.

IMHO it can hardly be said that Ave Maria is the only authentically Catholic school in the US.
jt82,
That wasn't the conclusion I was leading to; I was merely addressing your original comment regarding:
$250 million in the hands of someone who knows how to run a university would be awesome.
The reason why I, myself, had actually felt optimistic about Ave Maria was because of Fessio's association with the school (granted, that's a fallacy in itself).

While one must be careful in choosing a Catholic school to go to, IMHO it can hardly be said that Ave Maria is the only authentically Catholic school in the US.

As Bishop Sheen said, in todays Catholic schools, one is better not even going to such because they just are not Catholic anymore. In todays Spirit Daily, Canadian Catholic schools infiltrated by Homosexuals and in New England schools closing left and right
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/mar/07032803.html
http://www.berkshireeagle.com/headlines/ci_5544788
Dioceses 'suffering'
Catholic students decline
By Nicole Sequino, Berkshire Eagle Staff
Thursday, March 29
SPRINGFIELD — The future of Catholic schools, which have been losing students over the past decade, will depend on marketing, fundraising, academic and faith-based initiatives, New England Catholic leaders said yesterday.
Bishops, clergy and Catholic educators gathered at the Marriott Hotel to discuss ways to sustain schools in their dioceses, which have closed 47 schools and lost 21,813 students in New England since 1997. Likewise, the Springfield diocese has 8 fewer schools and 3,945 fewer students in the four counties of Western Massachusetts.
Clergy and educators said population shifts and competition from public and charter schools are two main reasons for the loss of students.
"Dioceses are suffering from having our schools in areas where the population no longer supports them," said the Boston's Cardinal Sean O'Malley, indicating that school mergers are possible solutions in some cases.

That would seem to be contingent upon one's own definition of "Catholic".

What about:
Assumption College
Christendom College
College of Saint Thomas More
Corpus Christi College
Franciscan University of Steubenville
Magdalen College
Our Lady of Corpus Christi
Thomas Aquinas College
Are these not authentically catholic colleges?

CORRIGENDUM:
That's just it -- there's not a lack of well-run "Catholic" universities; there is, however, a lack of actually Catholic Universities!

$250 million in the hands of someone who knows how to run a university would be awesome.
That's just it -- there's not a lack of well-run "Catholic" universities; there is, however, a lack of actually Catholic Universitites!

$250 million in the hands of someone who knows how to run a university would be awesome. Its not like there aren't any truly catholic colleges out there.

I think that is a debatable question, because while it is nice to have a new university, several existing catholic colleges have closed. Perhaps he should have supported one of those and left academia to the academics?
If you mean his actually supporting one of the many so-called "Catholic" universities in America that, in place of authentic Catholic Teaching, have rather deigned to cater to the demands of the secular masses instead; then, yes, I would prefer that he use his money to create a Catholic Univerisity de novo that would actually be "Catholic" both in name and in practice, which I believe was his original intention with Ave Maria.
Though, I really don't know where it is at this point. The Fessio event really wasn't one of the things I wanted (at all), but, hey, I don't know the full story.

"Would you rather that Monaghan do with his wealth as others have done and pursue more worldly interests?"
That is actually a good question. The problem I have is that it seems that a lot of what he does is tainted with his own pride. Is the Church better off with Ave Maria University? I think that is a debatable question, because while it is nice to have a new university, several existing catholic colleges have closed. Perhaps he should have supported one of those and left academia to the academics? I might be wrong here, but it is by no means clear that what he is doing is good or desirable.

Jimmy, I agree with Esau. Please delete Monaghan's home address.

jt82:
Would you rather that Monaghan do with his wealth as others have done and pursue more worldly interests?
The fact that he actually does something to help build the Catholic Church, in a matter of speaking, of course, is, in itself, admirable.
Although, I strongly disagree with how the Fessio matter worked out, I still can't condemn the guy merely due to hearsay and what not.
What I know about him is that he's attempting to do with his money something that actually promotes the Catholic Faith, which is more than what I can say for most Catholic millionaires and other such Catholic 'aristocrats'.
It seems you'd more likely praise him if he did something else with his money such as fund more selfish endeavors than that which actually promote Catholicism.

I'll never live in a house like that but, heck, I didn't start Domino's pizza either ...

jt82,
As far as I know, Mr. Monaghan hasn't claimed to be broke or St. Francis. His charitable contributions, on the other hand, are a matter of public record and are in the hundreds of millions.
Contrast that to one Albert Gore who, in the year of his vice-presidential run, gave $500 dollars to charity. Liberals, of course, "care" more, so I'm sure he lost at least 500 mls from his bleeding heart ...
Mr. Monaghan is a private citizen, and not a vowed religious; he's entitled to his earnings. If you checkout a google satellite of his address you don't see anything too pretentious ...
http://www.google.com/maps?q=Gulf+Shore+Blvd+N,+Na...

"That's a similar argument identity theives can use, wouldn't you say?"
Actually no, because I am not advocating that anyone do anything illegal. People use this data for many purposes such as selling mortgage insurance and nobody ever questions them. Tom M. is trying to portray himself as a Saint Francis who is giving everything away. However, according to the zillow website, his home is worth $4.4 million? It kind of reduces the credibility of his argument in my opinion.

That's a similar argument identity theives can use, wouldn't you say?

Real estate transactions are matters of public record. Tom Monaghan might not like that we can go to the Collier County government website and find out his address and how much he paid for his house. But it is all right there and fair game for the public.

I didn't know it was public information.
The address of a person is so personal (as it can endanger the person and even his/her family if in the wrong hands), that I wouldn't want mine to be posted.

What is wrong with publishing public information?

What's with posting Monaghan's address?
Are we really stooping to that level now?
JIMMY AKIN,
Please remove the above info!

zillow Monaghan's home at home at:
10047 Gulf Shore Dr, Naples, FL 34108.
He can't claim to be broke.

"I wonder how much of this is financial! I and others I know who are considered "founders" (just means you let them take money monthly out fo your checking ccount!)immediately emailed AMU that we were ending our support specifically due to the firing."
Speaking as someone with some first hand knowledge, I think that had a lot to do with it.
Also: The prospect of losing many returning or new students, which was a near certainty. That means tuition (money) as well.
To Mark,
"Reportedly, Fr. Fessio was asked to resign. He refused. Not only did he refuse a dignified exit, he apparently called students "weeping" and created a soap opera. So much for Jesuits and obedience ..."
That's the story I have heard - in regards to his refusal.
It might have helped if Monaghan had offered an explanation - which he still has yet to do to Fessio, by the way. It's also unclear just exactly how the demand was posed. But it sounded like he wanted him to leave immediately, which is out of the norm for replacing provosts.
But Monaghan has made at least one public speech this week admitting that he handled the whole episode poorly.

Dr. Eric:
Thanks for that!
That was the most amusing post today!
Incidentally, on the radio I just heard The Edge was going to sell his most cherished guitar for charity!
Hey, thinking about giving somebody something special for Easter?

I thought it was JPII that was Pro Bono!
:-p
(I just happen to be listening to Where the Streets Have No Name at this exact moment.
Coincidence?

Esquire:
Thanks for the Pro Bono, then! ;^)
And, hey, keep posting!

Esau,
You know what they say, if you have to ask, you probably can't afford it. :-D

Esquire,
You're TOO kind to me, brutha!
God bless you!
P.S. Okay, since you defended me here on the blog, how much do I owe you for attorney fees? ;^) j/k

John,
Gee Esau, I guess it did not stop you from chiming in with Mark to go "off thread" and slander me personally!!

Since falsity is one of the basic elements of slander, I don't think you can honestly say that Esau "slandered" you.
And since the shoe appears to fit, I think we must acquit. (Esau, that is.)

Mark and I may strongly disagree about Fessio, but one thing unites the both of us -- loyalty to Christ & His Church!
Okay, now that is done --
I forget what was the last thing said about the 'Fessio' topic since John nailed his 'Martin Luther' equivalent of the 95 Thesis (except his was 14).

I suggest that a certain Hobby Horse rider, who hijacks nearly every thread, and who repeats the same bilge (and nothing else) over and over, be banished to the Phantom Zone.

Amen, Kevin. And to think I logged on for a little intellectual stimulation after teaching first grade all day. Goodnight and God Bless.

Well, since all threads seem to end up on the same topic, regardless...
I’d like to ask the panel what they would do if they were Hitler?

Well, the possibilities are endless. But I think I would declare World John Day, in honor of John jtnova (pay no attention to the email address behind the curtain) and his astute observation that the Bishop of Rome has no moral authority and simply cannot be trusted.
Simultaneously, I would honor John D. Crossan by minting gold coins stamped with his image and hiring Realist to be the pointman of my public relations team. He could hand them out to the masses, all the while convincing them of the truth of John Crossan's "gospel," that Jesus Christ was not God, could not have done anything that his apologists claim he did, and that they have nothing to fear.
Once I had those more important matters out of the way, I would proceed with bulldozing Europe and exterminating the Jews.

Well, since all threads seem to end up on the same topic, regardless...
I’d like to ask the panel what they would do if they were Hitler?

Jimmy's next post should be about how John Paul II has been (falsely) accused of being a heretic so that the thread can be hijacked to some other topic, for a change of pace....This is all too much like that Rodney Dangefield joke: "I went to a boxing match and a hockey game broke out." Prizes to the best adaptations of Rodney's joke. Any takers? I'm too tired to be witty....

John,
If you're done slinging mud (and hijacking this thread)you may wish to consider:
Ignatius of Antioch in 107, who wrote: "Where the bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
You are out of communion with the Bishop of Rome. So go start your own blog ...

Esau posted:
"That's odd -- I could've sworn the TITLE of this thread was: Fr. Fessio Re-Hired
NOT:
"Why John Paul II is an Apostate"
Gee Esau, I guess it did not stop you from chiming in with Mark to go "off thread" and slander me personally!!
You are such a hypocrite and wolf in sheeps clothing
Please respond to the evidence-If John Paul could worship vodoo and with Hindus-Is he or is he not a heretic and worse than any SSPX churchgoer you are so quick to call a heretic?
I wait for your reply, but I expect not, just another 4 posts in response to my 1 full of blabber!

...Maybe JRStoodley... or his identical twin brother.... would like to start first? : )

I was just wandering which was going to be more popular, Fr. Fessio or the Motu Propio!?
And now that Fr. Fessio has been liberated from his cocoon... by Pope JPII and his heresies, I really think that maybe Fessio has a real chance of smashing the Motu Propio combox totals!! whoohooo!
But Juuust to make sure...Can any one answer just one simple question??
Just why was JPII a heretic anyway? Exactly!
Oh, and we only have 125 comments to go...so let's try to hurry!

Oh yeah, John should've added more to his List "Why John Paul II is an Apostate":
15. John Paul II danced on a row of Cabbage Patch Kids dolls and said the Jimmy Akin Personality Cult pledge.
16. He waved a Karate Kid II rattle back and forth in order to summon Godzilla in Tokyo.
17. JP II did the Macarena at Paul VI hall on Halloween.
18. John Paul II put on Bono's sunglasses and started singing "In the Name of Love" when U2 visited the Vatican.

Yes -- and I suppose what John mentioned above regarding Pope John Paul II is to your liking!

Humm. Obviously Jimmy is away.
SOME OF THIS IS LIKE A KIDS CLASSROOM WITH THE TEACHER AWAY...AND ON THE SAME LEVEL.

Ever notice how no one picks on John Paul I?
Maybe I should post every other post on how bad John Paul I was!
:-p

Esau, the problem was that no one else on this thread had yet stated what must always be stated, regardless of the topic:
1) Vatican II--BAD!
2) Everything since Vatican II--BAD!
3) Paul VI--BAD!
4) John Paul II--VERY BAD!

When the "reformation" of 1962 took place, Paul VI and JPII and all for that matter never anticipated a few brave souls would stand up for the faith.
What 'FAITH' is that exactly?
While I have the Communion of Saints & Martyrs on my side that testify all throughout history to the AUTHORITY of the Pope as given him by Jesus to St. Peter & his Successors, the only ones you have on your side is Martin Luther, Judas Iscariot, and Lucifer himself!
Nice party to be around, I guess, if dissension and betrayal against Christ is what you're all about!
Of course, your and your Rad Trads' actions speak for themselves!

That's odd -- I could've sworn the TITLE of this thread was: Fr. Fessio Re-Hired
NOT:
"Why John Paul II is an Apostate"
by none other than John & the Rad Trads who SPITS on the TRADITIONAL TEACHINGS of the Church as well as on Christ Himself & ATTACKS His Church with such venom!

Not to go off topic, but since Mark and Esau took the time to do so to do so at my expense, as St Paul teaches, "where there is a proximate danger to the Faith, prelates must be rebuked, even publicly, by their subjects", Mark and then Esau posted:
"Just curious John. You've made it clear you are not in communion with the Holy Father and the Catholic Church; why do you participate in this Catholic blog?
Am I to understand that you are in possession of the fullness of the faith and yet you do not have a faith community which shares your beliefs. Is the true Church really a community of one? In other words, why don't you establish a blog of likeminded individuals since you are "out of communion" with the Catholic Church?
You are like the atheist who still goes to Church!
A-MEN to that, brutha!"
Mark-then if that is what you feel about me, and you do not know me, what do you feel about the Pope himself, in the name of Ecumenism who does the following:
As Pope John Paul II:
1.On May 4, 1980, he presided from a straw hut over an ordination ceremony and native Mass of people undulating to the rhythm of tomtoms, accompanied by accordians and guitars.
2.In February 1982, he presided over a "dance" Mass in Libreville.
3.On December 11, 1983, he preached in a Lutheran church at Rome.
4.On May 8, 1984, he presided over a Mass in Papua-New Guinea at which male and female dancers, nude from the waist up, danced; an aboriginal woman, also nude from the waist up, read the Epistle.
5.In September 1984, he presided over a Mass in Canada at which a pagan Indian chief invoked the Great Spirit and presented the pope at the Offertory with an eagle feather dipped in blood.
6.In 1985, he told 50,000 Moslems in Morocco: "We and you believe in the same God, the one God and the only God."
7.In August 1985, he presided over "dance" Masses in Cameroon and Garoua.
8.On August 8, 1985, he visited Togo and prayed in a "Sacred Forest" consecrated to the worship of pagan gods and participated in a pagan initiation ritual in a grove sacred to the pagan animists.
9.In 1986, he presided over a Mass in Fiji at which the thurifer was an aboriginal dressed only in a loin-cloth; he is said to have witnessed there a pagan animal sacrifice.
10.In February 2, 1986, he was marked with cow dung, the "Tilac," the sign of the adorers of the pagan goddess Shiva, by a Hindu priestess at Bombay.
11.On June 24, 1986, he sat with Grand Rabbi Elio Toaff in the sanctuary of the Jewish synagogue at Rome and prayed for the coming of the Messias.
12.On October 27, 1986, he participated in an ecumenical prayer meeting at Assisi, Italy, during which an image of Buddha was placed on top of the tabernacle. He again brought together Christian, Muslim, and Jewish leaders in Assisi on January 9-10, 1993, to pray for an end to the war with the Mohammedan Bosnians, and on January 24, 2002, for yet another "ecumenical prayer meeting" for "peace" with the Mohammedan terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. This time the leaders included not just the usual Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, and Jews, but also leaders of "Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Jianism, Confucianism, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, and followers of Tenrikyo and African tribal religions." (Associated Press)
13.On February 4, 1993, he engaged in dialogues with the high priests and witch doctors of Voodoo.
14.In 1994, he smeared the pitch from a native tree on his face instead of incensing the altar during a beatification ceremony in Australia.
Sorry gentlmen, one cant have it both ways. Either one is a heretic for following traditional catholic teachings or a Pope is such for participating in far worse, even pagan idol worship
The contradiction is clear. When the "reformation" of 1962 took place, Paul VI and JPII and all for that matter never anticipated a few brave souls would stand up for the faith.

Just like Lefebvrists, false right, trying to take the good in the Church who are shocked by these the progresivist things in the Church, and make them go into a abyss.
All while following orders.
Because nothing like that happends without "permission".
More like orders.

Consider these words:
False Right